Wakefield Park Day -> Sept 24 -> Optional Driver Training!

[NickS]

- Bilstein/Eibach coilovers front
- Koni yellows/Selby HD Superlows rear
- Russo H/C
- HSV/AP 4 piston f/r kit with DS2500
- RE55's

Obviously there are more, but these are the "major" ones.

You forgot "impatience"

:lmao:

[CarlFST60L]

lautray, great job mate, thats hauling ass with that sort of setup :bravo:

You forgot "impatience"

:lmao:

Nick, how was the ESP / MRC experimenting?

[NickS]

Nick, how was the ESP / MRC experimenting?

ESP ... bloody good system, keeps the car straight no matter how stupid you are being. It actually works quite well if you are being very smooth and don't have the car slipping and spinning on every corner, otherwise it just cuts the power too much to get any sort of a decent lap time.

My best lap time was with Luffy in the car and he doesn't let you leave that stuff on ... :lol:

MRC ... to be honest, gimmick more than anything. It doesn't slow the car down, but I'm not real convinced it makes it any faster either. The car sits very flat, especially considering it's weight, no doubt about that. Several magazines have already determined it's more of a gimmick than anything, so I wasn't really expecting anything else.

Overall ... stoked with the car. Considering it's the family truckster that is completely stock bar exhaust / tune ... I reckon it did an awesome job. Didn't miss a beat all day, nothing over heated (except the tyres), nothing broke, nothing wore out. Still reckon it's the best daily driver style car I have ever owned (kid's seats went back in last night, back to Mum's taxi duties today).

Now ... we just have to make sure you're down there next time !!!

:D

[Febs]

Sounds like fun was had by all. 1:09...:shock: well done Erik, well done!

Cheers,
- Febs.

[Scotty]

Lunch has enabled me to look at my times...:)

http://www.trackchat.com.au/media/data/538/scotty_WP_0709241.JPG

Session 1 around 10:30am Practice (no instruction)
Session 2 just after 11am With Instructor (new PB)
Session 3 trying to practice (not quite getting it together did a uturn onto pit straight)
Session 4 instructor driving (watching intently what he is doing)
Session 5 Put to use instruciton (new PB)
session 6 more practice.. (would have been consistant except for Keen on the start finish:headbang:
Session 7 take instructor for spin.. total brain farts and run out of fuel

So in summary From a previous best of 1:17.22 to a 1:13:894 I am a happy man... :driving: :dance: :yahoo:
I kept going closer and closer to the pit wall entering turn 1...

Now for a bit more power... bit more suspension work and maybe some re55s (not sure how my rubber is surviving)

[Scotty]

Big thanks to scotty for driveing an extra hour out of his way to drop me home.

You are more than welcome, amazing the topics you can cover from Sydney to the beaches.... thanks again for the cluster... and dinner

Takes a while to get that track sorted,but was starting to work it out a little.Did a 1.14.4 from memory.Not to bad first time on stock suspension.Will do better next time.

Tire pressure was probably the first item...:yep:

You were a good sport over the weekend Josh!

[NickS]

Now for a bit more power... bit more suspension work and maybe some re55s (not sure how my rubber is surviving)

Honestly mate ... Warren Luff did a 1:10 in a dead stock VE SS with street tyres at Wakefield. I'm not sure more power is always the best approach (isn't that right Dunc :stick:).

Luffy said to me that he reckons (without hundreds of laps) 1:15 is about the limit on street tyres and you can knock a few seconds off with track tyres. Any improvement from there comes from lap after lap after lap of practice. More power more than likely won't equal faster. Suspension makes sense, tyres absolutely make sense (wish they made 20 inch track tyres ... :lol:) and I reckon a lighter clutch would have you shifting faster.

Having said that ... 1:13 anything is bloody impressive, well done.

:bravo:

[MrKeen]

Scotty that 1.13 is pretty damn good.You dont transfer those sort of speeds to your street driveing do you.I guess you dont HAVE to do the speed limit,after all thats why they call it the limit.100-105 in a 110...thats all good.NOT

You were just enjoying my fabulous company werent you.

[vosadrian]

Hey Guys,

If you want to go quicker, you need only look at the results:

1) Mitsubishi
2) Subaru
3) Mistubishi

:waving:

-- Adrian

[Evo07]

Hi Trackchat

I was referred to as Scotty mate - Wes yesterday and was driving the stock silver Evo. Just wanted to say a quick thankyou to those that organised the day yesterday. Had a ball and was very happy with a 1.10.15 from a stock Evo donning RE55s, DBA 5000s (front), and EBC yellow stuff pads all round - 1.12.59 running factory tyres (Yokahama Advans).

It was my first track day in this car and was very impressed with its performance. My previous drive was a 98 WRX which was fairly heavily modified and I could only manage 1.12s out of it, and usually broke something everytime I went out.

Impressive to see some of the machinery out there yesterday, having previously owned a VTII Clubsport, but I just don't think I can go back after owning a WRX and now an Evo.

BTW what vehicle did the 1.09 displayed in this thread? Just curious!!!

Thanks again

Wes

[NickS]

BTW what vehicle did the 1.09 displayed in this thread? Just curious!!!

White VX SS.

[MarkA]

Hi all,

My last post got stuck in a queue because I included a link and am a new member, so here is the individual results link - but with a spaces instead of fullstops that you'll have to replace to make it work

www natsoft com au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?24/09/2007.WAKE.S1.I

I was pretty excited to see my S2000 do a 1:15 in the hands of instructor Dave (at eight tenths he tells me), even more to do a 1:19 myself :) Unfortunately that was on Ian Luff's stopwatch as the timing had been suspended due to passengers so you'll just have to take my word for it!

Great day - good to meet you all, and props to Duncan for the organisational effort.

Now to go replace my cooked brake fluid!

And my commiseration to anyone who had car issues, I know there were a few.

[Evo07]

That's impressive! What mods?

[NickS]

Hey Guys,

If you want to go quicker, you need only look at the results:

1) Mitsubishi
2) Subaru
3) Mistubishi

:waving:

-- Adrian

Been there, done that. Whilst small 4 cylinder turbos are heaps of fun, especially around somewhere like Wakefield, you can't beat a V8 as a daily driver (IMO anyway ... and I have tried both extensively). I got over my WRX when my 1 year old started kicking the back of my seat.

:lol:

If that means I'm a bit slower around the track, I can live with that. I doubt the guys doing < 1:10 had any more fun that the guys going > 1:15. No big heavy RWD V8 is every going to beat a turbo Subaru / Mitsubishi (modified to a similar extent) around Wakefield.

No doubting the speed of you guys though ... very fast.

[NickS]

That's impressive! What mods?

From post # 250 ...



- Bilstein/Eibach coilovers front
- Koni yellows/Selby HD Superlows rear
- Russo H/C ... (315 odd rwkw)
- HSV/AP 4 piston f/r kit with DS2500
- RE55's

Obviously there are more, but these are the "major" ones.

Not to mention one extremelly talented driver.

:bow:

[Evo07]

"Not to mention one extremelly talented driver".


No doubt! Well done.

[vosadrian]

Been there, done that. Whilst small 4 cylinder turbos are heaps of fun, especially around somewhere like Wakefield, you can't beat a V8 as a daily driver (IMO anyway ... and I have tried both extensively). I got over my WRX when my 1 year old started kicking the back of my seat.

:lol:

If that means I'm a bit slower around the track, I can live with that. I doubt the guys doing < 1:10 had any more fun that the guys going > 1:15. No big heavy RWD V8 is every going to beat a turbo Subaru / Mitsubishi (modified to a similar extent) around Wakefield.

No doubting the speed of you guys though ... very fast.

Each to their own!! I use my car daily to drive to work, and my wifes liberty wagon is the car for carrying the kids and does so with plenty of space while returning consistent round town fuel economy of 9.5L/100km, and around 7.5L/100km on the open road.

I have worked in the automotive industry for 8 years in engine management, and only recently decided to move out for a change. I have driven and tuned everything you care to mention from ballistic Nissan GTRs to 11 second XR6Ts to porsche Cayene twin turbos to Lotus Exige turbos to countless many other things. If you like a sporting drive, the best compromise of fuel economy, safety, comfort, cost, performance is a small-medium sized turbo 4... preferrably with AWD.

At the end of the day, in Australia, it is not normally rational logic that makes a car purchase decision on a performance car... it is an emotional choice, and people normally go with the emotion (V8 sound!!) rather than the logic, and that is fine!! I just have to use a thread like this to show what they are missing.

And when it comes to fun... I am glad everyone had a ball...... but I am having alot more fun in my car doing 1:09s then when it was running 1:14s with an exhaust and some boost... and then add the fun of overtaking all those V8s!! :)

-- Adrian

[Pulse Red]

If you like a sporting drive, the best compromise of fuel economy, safety, comfort, cost, performance is a small-medium sized turbo 4... preferrably with AWD.

At the end of the day, in Australia, it is not normally rational logic that makes a car purchase decision on a performance car... it is an emotional choice, and people normally go with the emotion (V8 sound!!) rather than the logic, and that is fine!! I just have to use a thread like this to show what they are missing.




My thoughts on the EVO in particular are well documented after spending some time driving my mates EVO 9. I think they are amazing cars and the BFYB is undeniable. I loved the car. But for normal driving, with a mix of comfortable cruising in different environments, a bit of the twisties and the odd straight line dash I would choose my tickled CV8-R Monaro over the EVO every time.

It will never lap wakefield faster then the EVO but it is comfortable, spacious, looks great, actually has some pull under 3000rpm and only used a few litres more then my mates EVO around town and allot less on a long trip. Plus it actually has a decent turning circle :up2sum: I would find the EVO tyresome to drive all the time and requires a certain driving style. The suspension was to firm, the interior to cheap and spartan, the looks are not exactly stylish and as I said without revs it is very slow, you need to be constantly pushing it to perform. It is not nice a cruise car at all to me but is still the quickest thing I have ever been through Galston Gorge in. Simply amazing! Despite how much I loved the EVO I would not sell my car to buy one. If I could have one to pull out for track days or the odd run up Galston or the old Pac aswell as owning my car then hell yeah!

In the end as you say, each to their own. :bravo:

[PSI38L]

There is no doubting the Performance of the EVO, they are quick straight out the box and even quicker with mods. I think that some people prefer the challange of getting a quick lap out the commodores. I know myslef its a great feeling getting a low 1.10 in my ute (I need to get back to WP to see if I can crack that 1.09 mark now that Erik as set the bench mark!) than getting a easy 1.10 out of a std EVO.

[NickS]

At the end of the day, in Australia, it is not normally rational logic that makes a car purchase decision on a performance car... it is an emotional choice, and people normally go with the emotion (V8 sound!!) rather than the logic, and that is fine!! I just have to use a thread like this to show what they are missing.

It actually has nothing to do with V8 sound, it's about a nice big car with lots of room (your Liberty wagon may have enough room for you, but I have used Liberty wagons and they aren't what I would call big), torque from 2000 rpm, freeway cruising at 1500 rpm, the ability to load the car to the hilt and not even notice the weight. I just got sick of the need for revs.

The V8 sound is just a bonus.

I have driven small engine turbos, for a long time, and I know what I'm missing ... nothing.

:D

Remember that you have a car setup for circuit use running slicks and you have lots of experience. We were also all driving on a circuit that suits small light cars, not big heavy cars. About the only car setup to the same level yours is is Erik's, about he ran a 1:09. Everyone else is basically driving the family car with an exhaust ... some had track tyres ... and most were doing there 2nd or 3rd track day.

My only point being ... I don't think "buy a Subaru or a Mitsubishi if you want to go fast" is exactly accurate.

[OPPYLOCK]

Sounds like you guys had a ball and theres some pretty impressive times, especially by lautray...f*#ck thats quick.
I know you were all out to get some good times under your belts but I hope you took some time to do a few hooligan laps. Its a great place to let loose a little.
Look forward to the photos.

Cheers.

[Delft Maloo]

A massive big thankyou to Duncan, Eric, Dave and all the others who put the effort in to make the day what it was:bravo: . This was my first ever outing to a track and i loved it:yep: . I was as nervous as hell as i drove out of pit lane and then after a couple of corners i was so excited that i just stomped the pedal and didnt bother doing a sighting lap and just started to go for it.
Ill be the first to admit that i was not quick nor did i expect to be but i tell you what that ute of mine scared the hell out of me and gave me a boner all at once every time i hit the gas:up2sum: .
I now know some key points for the next excursion to the track, Power steering cooler, decent pads, a bit better suspension and some newer tyres.
Im sure some of you saw or heard about my off at the end of the straight after lunch and i wish i saw it from the outside myself. I tell you what i was sh#tting myself as i slid accross the infield then over the track again. I went back and looked at my logs from that session and i thought i was going pretty quick at that point and the dat showed at the time of my off i was travelling at 178klm/hr:shock: . For all that i have to blame dave:yep: , i saw him slide off a few times and thought he's pushing hard which made me think i wasnt trying hard enough:bravo: .
I loved it ,loved it, loved it, 3rd gear was useless on all but the main straight and after the first turn as it would just spin the shite out of the tyres as it came on boost, 4th wasn't much better but it did give me a bit more drive at times round the bends. All that and i thought i was running 7psi of boost but when looking at my vehicle data from the sessions the map pressure didnt go over 4psi of boost:shock: .
Ps and luffy said my diff is stuffed(no lsd working at all).
Heres a link from luffy thrashing my maloo sidewards into and out of the corners with me preying for dear life:yep: .Its a big one i think(size).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKNDSjGwlMo

[vosadrian]

It actually has nothing to do with V8 sound, it's about a nice big car with lots of room (your Liberty wagon may have enough room for you, but I have used Liberty wagons and they aren't what I would call big), torque from 2000 rpm, freeway cruising at 1500 rpm, the ability to load the car to the hilt and not even notice the weight. I just got sick of the need for revs.

The V8 sound is just a bonus.

I have driven small engine turbos, for a long time, and I know what I'm missing ... nothing.

:D

Remember that you have a car setup for circuit use running slicks and you have lots of experience. We were also all driving on a circuit that suits small light cars, not big heavy cars. About the only car setup to the same level yours is is Erik's, about he ran a 1:09. Everyone else is basically driving the family car with an exhaust ... some had track tyres ... and most were doing there 2nd or 3rd track day.

My only point being ... I don't think "buy a Subaru or a Mitsubishi if you want to go fast" is exactly accurate.

I was not saying that you bought it for the sound.. I was just saying that alot of people in Australia buy a car for the feeling it give them... whether it be the sound, or the image of a muscle car, or whatever. I am not even saying there is anything wrong with that. I am sure I have developed an emotional non-logical attachment to Subarus. What I am saying is that if you buy a big locally made V8, you are going to have to work much harder to get it to go quick around a track.

A simple WRX costs $40k. Stick on some R spec tyres, and a bigger rear say bar, and it will lap all day around wakefield doing 1:12s. It will also have comfortable ride, good fuel economy, and be very reliable. Take Wes's EVO. Low 1:10s with just some R specs.

I think my comment is accurate... it is MUCH cheaper and easier to do it with a little Jap AWD turbo.

I only really made the comment to have a stir. Everyone is oohing and aahing about the V8 times, when a near stock EVO9 kicked their butt... not to mention my 92 model Subaru.

-- Adrian

[35R]

I had a great time, thanks to all who participated! My car chewed some belts, apparently i have a worn/sloppy tensioner. Big thanks to Erik, Dave, Kyle and Tim for helping me out, i managed to get home ok. And how about Luffy hey?.. what a character. I picked up quite a few driving tips and managed a PB too. I have a job ahead of me to realise the potential under the bonnet though... and bloody Erik beat me to a "nine" ..(congrats mate).. i suppose the race is on for an "eight" now!! hmm where's that cheque book?

It was good to see several newbies to the circuit, especially Ritesh who had an absolute ball and will be back for sure, to my amazement.

Thanks so much guys and gals for signing up, prompt payments, your good company, and mostly the balls to give it a red hot go at the track!

cyas next time.

[Scotty]

I only really made the comment to have a stir. Everyone is oohing and aahing about the V8 times, when a near stock EVO9 kicked their butt... not to mention my 92 model Subaru.
-- Adrian

I'll buy the stock evo comment (I would even consider buying one).. but your car has had some pretty significant mods done in its time....

What I like is that we went out with a mix of cars all had a ball and most were able to go faster before... thats a successful day...

I can't wait for the next one... (with some more fuel)

[Scotty]

Scotty that 1.13 is pretty damn good.You dont transfer those sort of speeds to your street driveing do you.I guess you dont HAVE to do the speed limit,after all thats why they call it the limit.100-105 in a 110...thats all good.NOT

I had just spent all day going full pelt around a race track ... I had no need or desire to race home... ...


[QUOTE=MrKeen;20587]
You were just enjoying my fabulous company werent you.

Yep...

I tried to find a picture of a wooden snail today.... :stick:

[Hazza]

It's funny that's what I am usually doing with my V8, overtaking all the 4 cyl turbo's!! At least any comparable value one's. ie. lightly moded WRX's, STi's, B4's, Liberty GT's etc. The Evo's of course are a fair bit quicker around Wakefield but they are in a totally different price bracket and class of car. If we were on a larger track like EC, Bathurst, even Oran Park I reckon the lightly modded V8's would increase the gap to those other 4 cyl turbo's and close a fraction on the Evo's. Obviously your car is very well sorted as the times reflect but I have seen Commodore's of that age doing those kind of times when they are very well sorted and had what I assume is similar money spent.

It basically comes down to what you can afford (what is a stock evo worth compared to my SV8?), what you need the car for (my car was the tow car for the day LOL but the el cheapo race car had issues so it became the race car), and what takes your fancy. There are many ways to a final destination.


and then add the fun of overtaking all those V8s!! :)

[DaveHAT]

Im sure some of you saw or heard about my off at the end of the straight after lunch and i wish i saw it from the outside myself. I tell you what i was sh#tting myself as i slid accross the infield then over the track again. I went back and looked at my logs from that session and i thought i was going pretty quick at that point and the dat showed at the time of my off i was travelling at 178klm/hr:shock: . For all that i have to blame dave:yep: , i saw him slide off a few times and thought he's pushing hard which made me think i wasnt trying hard enough:bravo: .


:lol: I wasn't trying hard Tim, I just had a head that was high on ambitions but low on abilities. I simply ran out of talent TWICE. :headbang:

Pretty scarey when the slide finally stops and you realise your arse has puckered hard enough to grab a date full of leather ... :shock: :lmao:

Luffy is a character to say the least and good on ya with the turbo install. It went the distance and sounds the shit :bravo:

PLUS IT's NOT A TURBO 4 WHICH IS A MAJOR BONUS ... :D :waving:

[CV860L]

Looks like you guys had a great day.......wish I was there :swear:
Very impressive times Erik....
The Monaro returns home tomorrow so I'll be sure to make the next one.

[lautray]

This has turned out to be a top thread :) . Adrian has definitely livened things up :bravo: . But...

If you want to go quicker, you need only look at the results:

1) Mitsubishi
2) Subaru
3) Mistubishi

I think you'll have to slot Holden into... P2 with 1:09.79? :D :waving: :) Only slower to a dedicated track car :D :whip: .

[35R]

let's not turn this into a pissing contest boys. at the end of the day there is a multitude of reasons people buy the cars they do, and track ability usually sits well down on the list for most (at least initially!) so it's rather moot.. regardless, anyone running sub-10's with a daily driven road car deserves a pat on the back, well done fellahs.

[Stelth]

oh man i wish i was there :headbang:

I will most defiantly be there for thew next one.

Did anyone run a bolt in headrest camera?

[lautray]

O/t: Hasn't today been a nice, busy day for trackchat? :)

[35R]

TIMMY! who oh why didnt you post your video on TRACKCHAT?

eKNDSjGwlMo

Entertaining vid!

[NickS]

A simple WRX costs $40k. Stick on some R spec tyres, and a bigger rear say bar, and it will lap all day around wakefield doing 1:12s. It will also have comfortable ride, good fuel economy, and be very reliable.

I beg to differ ... you seem to keep ignoring the fact that I owned and drove a 2 different WRXs over a period of 6 years. The are cheap as chips on the inside, the are ridiculously tinny, they are not comfortable, they have AVERAGE fuel economy considering it's a 2 litre (I would average 14l / 100kms with REAL city driving ... 16l / 100kms in a V8) and they cost a frigging fortune to service.

Yet I loved driving it !!!

When Scotty got his VX SS he took me for a drive in it and I was blown away by how much nicer it was to be in. I had emotionally defended the little Subaru for years, I had never owned a V8 ... 30 minutes in Scotty's new SS and I wanted a new car straight away. Bought a VX II Clubby 3 months later. They will never be as fast around a track given the same mods / money, but they are so much better in every other way it isn't funny.

I only really made the comment to have a stir. Everyone is oohing and aahing about the V8 times, when a near stock EVO9 kicked their butt... not to mention my 92 model Subaru.

Once again ... you don't have a '92 Subaru, you have a track car running slicks. Stick on some street tyres and lets see how fast you go ??? There is absolutely no doubt that your car is fast, it's bloody fast. But credit where credit is due ... even matching your times in something the size of a Commodore is an achievment worth an ooo and an aaa.

It's funny, ever review of an Evo I have ever read basically says "awesome track car ... horrible anywhere else". My car is sensational on the road, comfortable, quick, heaps of space, DVD for the kids, every electronic gizmo you can imagine, looks sensational (IMO) ... but it's a few seconds slower around Wakefield ... not any less fun, just a bit slower. Considering that's my 2nd track day in almost 2 years, I know what I'd rather be driving.

However ... each to there own. If the track hero is what your after, you have the right car.

:D

[Delft Maloo]

TIMMY! who oh why didnt you post your video on TRACKCHAT?

eKNDSjGwlMo

Entertaining vid!

i did mate at the bottom of post 272 after my rant. ill throwa seperate one up if you like.

[Hazza]

That is one classic video!!! Top stuff..

[lautray]

Is Luffy a "motivator" or what??? Like he's smashed a 6-pack of Red Bull & has got a rocket stuck up his arse permanently! Commentary & all. Great vid Tim. The Tim-mobile is wicked :). And weren't we changing your username to Delft Maloo??? :stick:

[NickS]

Is Luffy a "motivator" or what??? Like he's smashed a 6-pack of Red Bull & has got a rocket stuck up his arse permanently! Commentary & all. Great vid Tim. The Tim-mobile is wicked :). And weren't we changing your username to Delft Maloo??? :stick:

He's awesome isn't he ... ever corner he told me why the car did what it did, he knew what I was going to do before I did it !!! Well worth the dollars to have them down there for the day, I'd do it again for sure.

Now about that user name ... surely it has to be "TIMMY" ... great video Tim.

:lol:

[Stelth]

It's an awesome feeling going very fast and braking hard and throwing a big heavy car around corners!

My 2 cents worth ....

[Delft Maloo]

And weren't we changing your username to Delft Maloo??? :stick:

I think that one is out of my hands but ill be happy if it does.

[RedVYIISS]

Awesome stuff fella's, wish I was there. Who took some pics?

[lautray]

I think that one is out of my hands but ill be happy if it does.

Is that better? :)

[Delft Maloo]

Is that better? :)

cheers mate, had a good laugh when i saw that. I didnt notice the tag at first either, I feel special now:yep:

[35R]

i did mate at the bottom of post 272 after my rant. ill throwa seperate one up if you like.

thanks TIMMY!

Interesting video, we simply had to see it

[Scotty]

Entertaining vid!

I happened to have instructor dave in my car while following this sideways ute around... (I forgot about this when I looked at my times)... initially I thought it was timmy.. so i kept my distance.. then Dave goes.. 'thats luffy.. get up him..' . so I got closer and closer to this smoking blue beast...

[EL-346]

Wish i could have made it with the new ride. 1.09 - well done Erik!

[Scotty]

Pics tomorrow night-ish... alcohol+birthday dinner pending :D


Where are the Pics Kyle? Come on... Birthday:birthday: is no excuse... :up2sum:

[vosadrian]

Well Guys... I was only trying to liven things up a bit... I have respect for all the cars there... but the 4 cylinder turbos are by far the easiest way to get a car quickly around wakefield and this is shown by the results here. I realise that each person has their own desires out of a car, and a local V8 suits alot of you guys for your various needs, but for me, I simply cannot handle the size and effect this has on handling. The only place they have any chance against a stock WRX is when handling has less effect... on the freeways and the more open cornered roads. The chuckable fool proof nature of a small turbo AWD simply cannot be matched by a local V8, and I understand that is not your thing, but it is mine.

People seem to think my car has huge mods to go as quick as what it did, but it is not as much as you think. Most of the mods are only to bring it up to late WRX specifications, with a few to bring it up to late STi specification, and a few aftermarket. Most of my mods are OEM Subaru late versions of the old wornout 92 liberty stuff. My car was also well below its capability due to tyres. I was running slicks that were almost 10 years old, and would fall apart whenever I got them up to temperature (and they need temperature to get good grip). It would have gone alot quicker on some RE55s I am sure, and I would have been doing 1:10s - 1:11s on street tyres (I have done a 1:12.2 on street tyres several years ago when I had worse brakes, 50kW less power, and no LSDs). If you took a late STi (which has as good or better versions of the same OEM Subaru stuff as standard), threw some coilovers, swaybars, R spec tyres, brake pads, and exhaust and a tune, you would go alot quicker than me, and those of you who think the EVO is in a different class to an STi are delluded. They go pretty much the same with the same mods. There is a car in the WRX club I am a member of that I have had a bit to do with. It is a MY05 STi with a good driver. The only mods it has are: exhaust, Haltech interceptor ECU tune, coilovers, swaybars, R spec tyres, and some good brake pads. The total to do these mods is around $7k retail (I could get it alot cheaper!!). It has lapped in the 1:06s around wakefield on its last 3 outings with a best lap time of 1:06.4. There is also an EVO in the club with similar mods (actually more) and it cannot break into better than high 1:07s (which is still better than the track spec EVO that was there with us). I would like to see any Aussie V8 can within 2 seconds of that time for the same money (and STis and EVOs are under $60k... so not far off an SS really)

And as for that photo of a lap timer beating my officially recorded time by 1/100th. Doesn't count in my books. To compare lap times, the same timing system must be used measuring from the same point on the track. At supersprints, people often get up to a 0.5 second variation between their lap timer and the official times. This is not to say that the timer is inaccurate. But its beacon is at a different point on the track, and it may be positioned to not include a bad corner exit or something. I am sure that if you took my lap where I did a 1:09.80 and moved the beacon 50m forward or backwards, you could find atleast 1/100th to beat this unofficial time I am sure you guys will be out to defend this time on a photo, and that is fine. On the official results from the official timing equipment, I got second. I believe this car got 4th or 5th. I actually had my AIM timer in my car, so I will have to check all the laps on it to compare to the wakefield times.

It has been an interesting discussion... but at the end of the day, the 4 cylinder turbos have their strength at the track, particularly on tight tracks like Wakefield, and since this is what we did, and since we beat all the V8s, give us our glory. There is no need to be defensive about all the strengths of a V8 that have nothing to do with our wakefield track day. Respect to all your cars, and glad you are happy with them (but if you want to go quicker around Wakefield you will go atleast 3 seconds a lap quicker for the same effort/money in an AWD turbo!! :) ).

Cheers,

Adrian

[CarlFST60L]

Vosadrian, Im with Nick on this one... The best part with Nick is he has owned both, so he does know both sides to the story...

BTW, there was a 1981 Barina at Wake running 1:11, so on this logic, you now have to sell your car and buy yourself a 81 barina :stick: :lol:

I think we should all just respect each others preference in cars, we have our reasons (which some may or may not understand or agree with), we are all here to have fun and enjoy motor sport!!!

Cant wait for the next one!!

[NickS]

Adrian,

It's clear you are focused on the track performance, as mentioned already I have been on the track twice since the start of last year ... so probably less than 100kms of track driving.

In that time I have done 40,000kms on the road ... I just don't see the point in buying something that will be 3 seconds a lap quicker the once a year that I hit the track and less pleasant to drive the other 20,000kms a year that I'm sitting in the car !!!

You seem to think you are having more fun than us "slow V8's" running 1:15 and above, but I doubt it. I had an absolute ball and I can't see how getting in something a bit quicker would change that. I'm 100% sure I can't drive the car I have to it's limits yet ... so getting something faster isn't really going to achieve much. As Luffy said when he was in the car with me ... "you aren't going to see any huge gains from here ... practice, practice, practice".

Till next time ... :up2sum:

Nick

BTW ... I cross checked several times with my lap timer (same as Erik's and using the same beacon) and the track timing system. The track timing system was about half a tenth FASTER every time. So in my book ... Erik get's 2nd place to a dedicated track car that arrived on a trailer with a team of 5. Bloody awesome mate.

:yep:

[vosadrian]

Vosadrian, Im with Nick on this one... The best part with Nick is he has owned both, so he does know both sides to the story...

BTW, there was a 1981 Barina at Wake running 1:11, so on this logic, you now have to sell your car and buy yourself a 81 barina :stick: :lol:

I think we should all just respect each others preference in cars, we have our reasons (which some may or may not understand or agree with), we are all here to have fun and enjoy motor sport!!!

Cant wait for the next one!!

Wes the owner of the EVO (my brother) owned a VR V8 ute and a VT clubsport before owning a 98 WRX, and now the EVO, and he will never go back. I am pretty sure I have driven more perfromance cars of varying range than anybody at the track day including a twin turbo monaro, and a low 11 second XR6T, although I have not lived with these cars (used to work at Haltech, adn have tuned 100s of cars of various types including many race cars). I am not talking from a position of no experience with these cars. For every view one way there is another the other way. No doubt that it is each to their own...that is what makes us individuals, but when it comes to going around wakefield quickest, in my brothers case, the WRX was probably best bang for the buck, and the EVO is the quickest. That is my point.... I am not saying they are a better car... just that they are better, cheaper and easier to get around a track quickly.

I have never said that any car was better or worse. I have indicated my preference, but respected others preferences. It is just a fact that it is easier to go around the track quickly in a small agile car than in a heavy powerful car. My original comment was just having a cheeky dig at the guys wonderiing how to go quicker just to see what the response would be.... and it was very predicatable.

-- Adrian

[35R]

Adrian I agree with your core point, there probably isnt a cheaper way to go around wakefield that fast. Very well done! I admire your setup and results - I will definitely buy a similar car one day for the track.

And DITTO for Erik, getting 9's from his car is a great achievement.

What happened with the timing system: The driver of the blue WRX apparently took a passenger out around 4pm (passengers only allowed between 2~3pm as I personally told them) well the timing lady was forced to turn off the system. Unfortunately this is when Erik ran his 9. I believe Luffy timed it also and gave up a "nine finger salute" at the time. Perhaps Erik can reconcile the natsoft times to all his other times if anyone has cause to doubt the result. But it's good enough for me, I know how close he was leading up to it, and I am sure he will back it up with another result soon anyway.

[vosadrian]

BTW ... I cross checked several times with my lap timer (same as Erik's and using the same beacon) and the track timing system. The track timing system was about half a tenth FASTER every time. So in my book ... Erik get's 2nd place to a dedicated track car that arrived on a trailer with a team of 5. Bloody awesome mate.

:yep:

My friend hand timed me at a 1:07!! :waving:

In my case I attend about 10 motorsports events a year in mine... probably average 2 track days a year, about 5-6 skid pan motorkhanas, a couple of dirt motorkhanas, and maybe a might at the drags. I have a car that can compete well in a variety of different motorsports, so that is why it suits me. I don't think any other type of car could do so well with minimal changes in setup at such a wide range of motorsports.

Anyway, I will call this my last comment of this nature here and leave it back to you V8 guys since that seems to be what this forum is about. Thanks for the great track day guys, and continue to enjoy your vehicles of choise like I do!!:waving:

-- Adrian

[Hazza]

Let me start by saying, the small turbo's are designed for this much more than our family cars so they should be and generally are quicker overall but that statement is fundamentally incorrect. You know why. Cause I have done it. Lets take say a STi that I raced against last year. It was his 3rd time ever on a race track. Same as me. He was on old semi-slicks like me. He had spent, from what I recall, 5 grand RRP on mods to get to 250rwkw (front mount, tuning, pipes etc) and bits and pieces on the suspension (he said they understeer like a dog standard). My car is a 2003 SV8 so redbook lists it as 40 grand when new, a 2003 STi is 56 grand. I bought it 2nd hand for just over half what it is new and most of the mods were done, but to keep this accurate this is what my car has:

- koni shocks
- king springs
- swaybars
- full exhaust (standard cats)
- LS1 Edit
- Ripshifter

So well under 6 grand RRP to get to 250rwkw and decent suspension. So I am still around 15 grand better off right?

Official times, he had a laptimer 1:11.9. I had my onboard camera which I have confirmed is at least 1/10th of a second accurate compared to the dorian (usually 1/20th accurate). My best was a 1:11.2. Also on a 6 lap head to head (http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j73/hazzahsv/2006-02-21%20-%20Wakefield%20Track%20Day/?action=view&current=HazzaBestLap1.flv) I managed to close at around half a second a lap and get on his tail.

Don't worry I am not being defensive, just accurate, and I don't think for a second that stock for stock our family cars will get anywhere near a track oriented midsize AWD car. And obviously this is just one example, but it proves that your generalisation is at least incorrect in some situations.

but if you want to go quicker around Wakefield you will go atleast 3 seconds a lap quicker for the same effort/money in an AWD turbo!! :).

EDIT: Oops.. Adrian I didn't see your previous post when I was writing mine. I am not trying to have a competition with you just saying generalisations are usually not always true. But yes anyone doing 1:10's or better deserve kudos.

PS - I have done 4 track days, a supersprint, 2 motorkhana's, a hillclimb and drag racing is what our cars do well, plus taken 4 adults and our baby for long trips with all lugguage, and cruise at 12.5 on daily duties (canberra is good for some things 8)) and 9ish on highways. All were good results in my class. So both our style of cars are pretty much all rounders.

[CarlFST60L]

Wes the owner of the EVO (my brother) owned a VR V8 ute and a VT clubsport before owning a 98 WRX, and now the EVO, and he will never go back. No doubt that it is each to their own... never disagreed, but when it comes to going around wakefield quickest, in my brothers case, the WRX was probably best bang for the buck, and the EVO is the quickest. That is my point.... I am not saying they are a better car... just that they are better, cheaper and easier to get around a track quickly.

I have never said that any car was better or worse. I have indicated my preference, but respected others preferences. It is just a fact that it is easier to go around the track quickly in a small agile car than in a heavy powerful car.

-- Adrian

But again, I can buy a 1981 Barina ($2000), strip it out (free), put slicks on it (<$1000), build/buy a little engine and tune it ($4000), suspension ($2000), run at a race weight of 600kg and lap 1:10's... So on this logic, a $9000 Barina is better than this EVO :stick: :lol: Is it really better?

Anyway, I know your point, small cars are fast, therefore the Barina rules the track, GO THE BARINA! Could you imagine what $20K would do to a Barina

PS I would never own a VR 5L ute again either :lol:

Most of us know whats fast and whats not, lets just agree that we all love our cars and all love track racing etc :cheers:

[Kyle]

Less arguing more helping each other better times please people :D

Adrian, swap your car for xr6t :D:D:D

[Hazza]

Actually before we got hooked by Adrian I was going to ask, did any of the guys that had instruction from Luff get it on Camera (obviously Delft Maloo's video doesn't count LOL). I need big help on racing lines at the fish hook and the last corner!!!!!!!

Less arguing more helping each other better times please people :D

Adrian, swap your car for xr6t :D:D:D

[NickS]

I have never said that any car was better or worse. I have indicated my preference, but respected others preferences. It is just a fact that it is easier to go around the track quickly in a small agile car than in a heavy powerful car. My original comment was just having a cheeky dig at the guys wonderiing how to go quicker just to see what the response would be.... and it was very predicatable.

-- Adrian

Why is that when you make smart arse comments about turbo 4's and argue your case it's OK but when we do the same thing in return it's a "very predictable response". You haven't respected others preferences, you have clearly said that your car is better and you haven't once acknowledged that what we drive are great cars.

I have admitted several times that yours (and other WRXs / EVOs) is the quickest car around Wakefield ... you have yet to acknowledge that big V8s have it all over your cars in certain areas. I'm not talking about track days, I figure my track use is less than 0.1% of my total driving in any given year ... why would I buy a track car ???

You're arguing your case without looking at it from our side ... I'm arguing my case whilst acknowledging that everything you say about your car is spot on. Yet I'm the "predictable" one ... good on ya. Tell you what, 5 people in each car, boot full of luggage, drive to Melbourne / Brisbane ... let's see which passengers enjoy the trip more ???

My friend hand timed me at a 1:07!! :waving:

Anyway, I will call this my last comment of this nature here and leave it back to you V8 guys since that seems to be what this forum is about.

Hand held stop watch is a little different to an electronic timer ... you're being ridiculous now. Repeat after me ... "well done Erik, you beat me" ... that wasn't so hard was it.

This isn't a V8 forum ... it's a forum for any car, you made a smart arse comment about V8's, who exactly did you expect to respond ??? There where lots of other cars out there yesterday, it's just that none of them seem to need to prove themselves superior as much as you do.

:headbang:

[Scotty]

Josh,

whats the update on the car? did it get back to sydney?

[vosadrian]

Why is that when you make smart arse comments about turbo 4's and argue your case it's OK but when we do the same thing in return it's a "very predictable response". You haven't respected others preferences, you have clearly said that your car is better and you haven't once acknowledged that what we drive are great cars.

I have admitted several times that yours (and other WRXs / EVOs) is the quickest car around Wakefield ... you have yet to acknowledge that big V8s have it all over your cars in certain areas. I'm not talking about track days, I figure my track use is less than 0.1% of my total driving in any given year ... why would I buy a track car ???

You're arguing your case without looking at it from our side ... I'm arguing my case whilst acknowledging that everything you say about your car is spot on. Yet I'm the "predictable" one ... good on ya. Tell you what, 5 people in each car, boot full of luggage, drive to Melbourne / Brisbane ... let's see which passengers enjoy the trip more ???



Hand held stop watch is a little different to an electronic timer ... you're being ridiculous now. Repeat after me ... "well done Erik, you beat me" ... that wasn't so hard was it.

This isn't a V8 forum ... it's a forum for any car, you made a smart arse comment about V8's, who exactly did you expect to respond ??? There where lots of other cars out there yesterday, it's just that none of them seem to need to prove themselves superior as much as you do.

:headbang:

I was not going to say anything else, but we seem to be talking different languages or something. Just to make my points clear:

* I NEVER said that my car was better than any other persons car. I clearly said that I respect all the cars there, and that each to their own preference. Where I did say a car was superior to another, I made it clear it was my opinion based on my personal reasoning which does not work for others. I even used other peoples AWD turbos to illustrate my point... not my own. I have no need to prove superiority here or anywhere else. I was racing against my own PB which I failed to beat due to tyres falling apart, so I was a little dissappointed in my result.
* I DID say that it is easier to go fast in a small turbo AWD, and this was a BAIT comment to see if the V8 guys would give credit or make excuses. The outcome was predictable, as everyone jumped to defence rather than giving kudos.
* The vast majority of WRXs/EVOs go quicker for less money spent. Hazza has one example, but that is an exception to the rule. There is an STi in the WRX club with approx $7k retail in mods doing mid 1:06s. Just ask the HSV club super sprinter who compete against WRXs and they will tell you the same thing. Only cars to be mildly modified WRXs are trailiered race cars.
* I do NOT accept that Erik beat me. His personally recorded time was 0.01 quicker than my officially recorded time. I backed up my time with a second lap in the 9s, and I have many laps in the 10s officially recorded. When the times are that close can you really use two different time systems for a comparison? Erik probably got a 9, but I will not concede defeat when it is that close and recorded on a different time system.
* Yes I was being a smart arse at points just to see what the response would be. I was hoping to draw some support from smaller car supporters, but there is none here, and that is what I was seeking to find out.

Finally, a point I should have made as Nick has pointed out. There were some very quick V8s out there, and I say a very WELL DONE!! I have alot of respect for you guys dipping to 9s and 10s in these cars. It is indeed in my view more impressive to make these times in a car like this than in an AWD turbo. Erik I am sure you got a 9, and that is an awesome time. I did try while I was on the track to get near some of the quicker V8s to compare relative performance, but it never worked out. I would slow down to let the V8 catch up, but they would finish their session when they got close.

Anyway guys, enjoy your cars, they are great cars and all have their relative strengths and weaknesses. I would own one of every type if I could afford it, and use them for their appropriate strengths.

-- Adrian

[35R]

Adrian, i think you need to go and actually read my comments. I did offer kudos and support.

Considering the various mods/tyres/driving experience involved, there really is no point generalising about any particular manufacturers / cars performance cred here.

[DaveHAT]

From my perspective I thought the weekend was about having fun and seeing who could do what in what car ... NOT about who beat who :confused:

Erik did a 1:09, so did Adrian ... and I presume so did a few other people ??? What does it matter who did it first and how many times. 1:09 in ANY car is damned fast and very :bravo: worthy NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU DRIVE. :waving:

I say congrats to anyone who went faster than me (which is almost everyone :lol:) this sort of self defeating competetive nonsense is why I'm happy to potter around at the bottom of the pack and just compete against myself ...

Sorry if I just don't get it ... I was just happy to be there. :yep:

[MrKeen]

Gingo , we might need Ryzz to moderate soon.

[MrKeen]

Josh,

whats the update on the car? did it get back to sydney?

Yes car got back ok, spoke to Sam.His responce was "F-cking turbo's"One possible cenario is a blocked cat or cats.Mine are still the factory ones believe it or not.Will let you know what he finds.

[Kyle]

C'mon guys, where's the love


Love doesnt live here anymore :(

[CarlFST60L]

Gingo , we might need Ryzz to moderate soon.

Hahaha good one...

Go the BARINA!

[NickS]

* I NEVER said that my car was better than any other persons car.

Yes you did ... you said several times that your car is better than ours because it's faster around Wakefield. You have not once acknowledged that going fast around Wakefield is quite possibly the last thing on the list of wants when we buy a car. Don't believe me ...

Hey Guys,

If you want to go quicker, you need only look at the results:

1) Mitsubishi
2) Subaru
3) Mistubishi

:waving:

-- Adrian

At the end of the day, in Australia, it is not normally rational logic that makes a car purchase decision on a performance car... it is an emotional choice, and people normally go with the emotion (V8 sound!!) rather than the logic, and that is fine!! I just have to use a thread like this to show what they are missing.

And when it comes to fun... I am glad everyone had a ball...... but I am having alot more fun in my car doing 1:09s then when it was running 1:14s with an exhaust and some boost... and then add the fun of overtaking all those V8s!! :)

-- Adrian

This one has me stumped ... how is a car that does everything extremelly well but is a little slower around a race track because it's big enough for 5 adults the emotional choice ??? Clearly number one on your list is track times ... that's emotion, not logic. Logic is buying a car like a Commodore / Falcon despite the fact that something half the size will go quicker around a race track.

Everyone is oohing and aahing about the V8 times, when a near stock EVO9 kicked their butt... not to mention my 92 model Subaru.

-- Adrian

... at the end of the day, the 4 cylinder turbos have their strength at the track, particularly on tight tracks like Wakefield, and since this is what we did, and since we beat all the V8s, give us our glory. There is no need to be defensive about all the strengths of a V8 that have nothing to do with our wakefield track day. Respect to all your cars, and glad you are happy with them (but if you want to go quicker around Wakefield you will go atleast 3 seconds a lap quicker for the same effort/money in an AWD turbo!! :) ).

Cheers,

Adrian

I DID say that it is easier to go fast in a small turbo AWD, and this was a BAIT comment to see if the V8 guys would give credit or make excuses. The outcome was predictable, as everyone jumped to defence rather than giving kudos.

Everyone jumped in to defend their cars because you made a pointless baiting comment. No one offered kudos hey ??? Selective reading at it's best ...

Thanks for coming down Adrian! :D

Love the performance youre getting from your RS.. Awesome stuff!

Whilst small 4 cylinder turbos are heaps of fun, especially around somewhere like Wakefield, you can't beat a V8 as a daily driver ...

No doubting the speed of you guys though ... very fast.

There is no doubting the Performance of the EVO, they are quick straight out the box and even quicker with mods.

My thoughts on the EVO in particular are well documented after spending some time driving my mates EVO 9. I think they are amazing cars and the BFYB is undeniable. I loved the car.

Adrian I agree with your core point, there probably isnt a cheaper way to go around wakefield that fast. Very well done! I admire your setup and results - I will definitely buy a similar car one day for the track.

The whole point here is that many many people have said well done, you obviously have a fast car and you clearly have skill behind the wheel. You have once made a vague comment along the lines of "respect to your cars ... if that's what you like" but you have clearly been rubbing your time in our noses to get a response, you got plenty of kudos (which you chose to ignore) and where suprised when people did exactly what you have done all the way through this thread ... defended their car.

Subarus and Mitsubishis are great cars ... no doubt about it, everyone has given you that ... but you can't seem to say the same thing about our cars. So who is coming back with the "predictable responses".

:rolleyes:

[Evo07]

Hi

from the outset, I am Adrian's brother so you can interpret this however you like!

I have owned a VS V8 ute, then a VTII Clubsport, then a 98 WRX, and now own an Evo. So I, like the previous person providing comment on both types of vehicles, believe I have earned the right to make these comments. Furthermore, in saying this I am merely demonstrating the difference in opinions and feelings out there.

I feel the absolute opposite to the previous guy in that upon purchasing a turbo 4 I was never going back to a large V8. In my opinion, the VS ute was a slug that was only good for going sideways and carrying loads, and the clubbie was a moderately fast comfort machine but nothing more.

My WRX was a weapon but suffered greatly in the comfort stakes. My Evo, however, I believe is the best of both worlds. I drive approximately 1000kms a week in this vehicle and have never had an issue with the comfort. In everyday driving it does everything I need/want and some. There is no way that I would feel the same about lugging a big vehicle around for my purposes or any other for that matter (in my opinion) - it just seems unnecessary to me.

Furthermore, I paid 58K for the Evo put some tyres and brakes on it (moreso to enable me to drive all day on the track and still drive the car home) and managed a low 1.10 which I am sure I will be able to substantially lower being it was my first time on the track in the Evo. purchasing a larger car with similar specs or bringing one up to similar specs would be substantially more expensive and it would still not come close to the Evo's times.

If this forum really is a about any car, any track, and about improving lap times then I believe that informing people about the advantages of a different type/style of vehicle is pretty important. Second to driver training, I believe that purchasing and modifying a turbo 4 is the most economical way of getting around a track quicker, as evidenced by the times posted by a near stock Evo.

I have owned V8s and respect them for what they are, but I realise they are what they are,hence the change to a turbo 4 which continues to exceed my expectations.

Cheers

Wes

[35R]

Hi

from the outset, I am Adrian's brother so you can interpret this however you like!

I have owned a VS V8 ute, then a VTII Clubsport, then a 98 WRX, and now own an Evo. So I, like the previous person providing comment on both types of vehicles, believe I have earned the right to make these comments. Furthermore, in saying this I am merely demonstrating the difference in opinions and feelings out there.

I feel the absolute opposite to the previous guy in that upon purchasing a turbo 4 I was never going back to a large V8. In my opinion, the VS ute was a slug that was only good for going sideways and carrying loads, and the clubbie was a moderately fast comfort machine but nothing more.

My WRX was a weapon but suffered greatly in the comfort stakes. My Evo, however, I believe is the best of both worlds. I drive approximately 1000kms a week in this vehicle and have never had an issue with the comfort. In everyday driving it does everything I need/want and some. There is no way that I would feel the same about lugging a big vehicle around for my purposes or any other for that matter (in my opinion) - it just seems unnecessary to me.

Furthermore, I paid 58K for the Evo put some tyres and brakes on it (moreso to enable me to drive all day on the track and still drive the car home) and managed a low 1.10 which I am sure I will be able to substantially lower being it was my first time on the track in the Evo. purchasing a larger car with similar specs or bringing one up to similar specs would be substantially more expensive and it would still not come close to the Evo's times.

If this forum really is a about any car, any track, and about improving lap times then I believe that informing people about the advantages of a different type/style of vehicle is pretty important. Second to driver training, I believe that purchasing and modifying a turbo 4 is the most economical way of getting around a track quicker, as evidenced by the times posted by a near stock Evo.

I have owned V8s and respect them for what they are, but I realise they are what they are,hence the change to a turbo 4 which continues to exceed my expectations.

Cheers

Wes

Wes, if you are saying the Evo is a great value track package, i think that has been acknowledged several times. I think it's pretty clear what you guys think of the big v8's

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[NickS]

Hi

from the outset, I am Adrian's brother so you can interpret this however you like!

I have owned a VS V8 ute, then a VTII Clubsport, then a 98 WRX, and now own an Evo. So I, like the previous person providing comment on both types of vehicles, believe I have earned the right to make these comments. Furthermore, in saying this I am merely demonstrating the difference in opinions and feelings out there.

I feel the absolute opposite to the previous guy in that upon purchasing a turbo 4 I was never going back to a large V8. In my opinion, the VS ute was a slug that was only good for going sideways and carrying loads, and the clubbie was a moderately fast comfort machine but nothing more.

My WRX was a weapon but suffered greatly in the comfort stakes. My Evo, however, I believe is the best of both worlds. I drive approximately 1000kms a week in this vehicle and have never had an issue with the comfort. In everyday driving it does everything I need/want and some. There is no way that I would feel the same about lugging a big vehicle around for my purposes or any other for that matter (in my opinion) - it just seems unnecessary to me.

Furthermore, I paid 58K for the Evo put some tyres and brakes on it (moreso to enable me to drive all day on the track and still drive the car home) and managed a low 1.10 which I am sure I will be able to substantially lower being it was my first time on the track in the Evo. purchasing a larger car with similar specs or bringing one up to similar specs would be substantially more expensive and it would still not come close to the Evo's times.

If this forum really is a about any car, any track, and about improving lap times then I believe that informing people about the advantages of a different type/style of vehicle is pretty important. Second to driver training, I believe that purchasing and modifying a turbo 4 is the most economical way of getting around a track quicker, as evidenced by the times posted by a near stock Evo.

I have owned V8s and respect them for what they are, but I realise they are what they are,hence the change to a turbo 4 which continues to exceed my expectations.

Cheers

Wes

Hey Wes,

I'm "the other guy" ... not sure how hard it was to figure out "Nick".

First off, congrats on your times ... awesome work and an awesome car.

Second ... do you have a wife and kids ? Would you use an Evo to carry a wife and kids on holidays ? If you would I reckon you are one of few. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the car, it's an awesome machine, but it's useless when you consider what we (my family) need cars for. If a Commodore is a bit slower around the track I can live with that.

Third ... I don't think you can compare a VS Ute and VTII Clubbie to a current model V8 Holden. If you are comparing 8 -10 year old V8s with last years EVO ... of course the EVO is going to shit all over them. Try my GTS and then jump in a 10 year old EVO, see which one is better ??? Apples with Apples ...

Reference keeps being made as to how hard it is to "lug" around a big V8. Pretty sure there was something wrong with every V8 you guys have ever driven, the reason I changed to V8s from the Rexs is that everything is so easy. The acceleration is effortless, you can cruise around at <2000 rpm all day ... Rexs / Evos need revs and lots of them, that's not easy. You guys really need to try a new Holden / HSV and stop comparing what is essentially a custom built track car and a 1 year old EVO with 10 year old Commodores.

Again ... loved the EVO, awesome, well done.

:cheers:

[Evo07]

No, I'm saying that the Evo is exceptional value in that it is a great everyday driver that is a weapon on the track.

[Evo07]

Nick

I apologise for not wanting to scroll through the bucketload of posts to find your name.

If you read my post correctly you'll realise that my decision was made when I purchased a 98 WRX. I'm sure you guys can confirm that a VTII Clubsport is a later model. And yes, it was a 5.7!

No, I don't have kids. But yes, my girlfriend loves being in, and driving, my car and hates driving around large cars. Also, do you have only one car for both yourself and your partner?

Cheers

Wes

[NickS]

No, I'm saying that the Evo is exceptional value in that it is a great everyday driver that is a weapon on the track.

In your opinion ... every test I have ever read says the opposite. Absolute track weapon that would be horrendous to live with day to day. That many people can't be wrong, you might be prepared to put up with it's short comings on the road but I refuse to believe that an Evo is comfortable.

So ... have you tried a recent model Commodore, is anyone in your family prepared to say "Hey ... that's a nice car" about anything other than a Subaru or a WRX ??? This is doing my head in, you guys are more brand biased than any Holden driver I know by about 1 million times, yet you think the attitude is coming from me.

In case you missed it the last few times ... awesome cars, both of you, great times, both of you ... well done.

Nick

I apologise for not wanting to scroll through the bucketload of posts to find your name.

If you read my post correctly you'll realise that my decision was made when I purchased a 98 WRX. I'm sure you guys can confirm that a VTII Clubsport is a later model. And yes, it was a 5.7!

No, I don't have kids. But yes, my girlfriend loves being in, and driving, my car and hates driving around large cars. Also, do you have only one car for both yourself and your partner?

Cheers

Wes

I also owned a 98 WRX ... then a 2002 WRX. My VX Clubby was a much nicer place to be than either of them, and I loved those cars ... just ask Scotty.

The car I had down at Wakefield (the GTS) is my wifes car, I have an SS-V.

Over and out ... :headbang:

[Pulse Red]

Wow, there really is some selective reading going on by the turbo 4 brigade in this thread. I can see multiple kudos by the V8 owners and the majority of people have acknowledged that for track times and BFYB the turbo 4 wins out. Seems the answer these guys are looking for is "V8s are crap and the only car worth buying ever is a turbo 4".

I wasnt even going to mention this and I am sure I will be flamed but It is interesting, my mate who owned the EVO 9 I mentioned before sold the car because of clutch issues. with only 10,000 on the clock Mitsubishi would not warrant his clutch and it failed after only 20 or so hard launches on the street. It was vbery expensive to replace out of his own pocket and it annoyed him so he sold it.

I have asked him since he sold it if he would buy another EVO or WRX and he said he would not. He said he would never buy an AWD car again. I said is that because of the clutch issues? He said no. For him he found that AWD made him look like a superstar driver but it lacked that excitement and on the edge fun. He said it was to clinical and he missed being able to get the best out of it as a driver rather then the car making him look good. His replacement? Series 8 Mazda RX7. Now there is a car that makes you work hard!

On another note considering this conversation you guys should check out the latest wheels magazine. It has a comparo of the new WRX and the VE SS. Very interesting considering some of the points raised in this thread.

[Pulse Red]

The car I had down at Wakefield (the GTS) is my wifes car, I have an SS-V.

Over and out ... :headbang:

ROLFLMAO!!!!! Not to mention a pretty special Stroked and Turboed HSV Coupe 4! :whip:




Note: I think this has been an interesting thread. I applaud everyones passion for their chosen car.

[Evo07]

This is it for me aswell as it is an impossible argument/discussion and comes down to opinion.

Driven plenty of late model commodores, however, not a VE V8. Definitely do not think that the extra cabin space/comfort makes up for the shortcomings in performance. But, I find the Evo comfortable so perhaps this should be taken with a grain of salt!!!

I am a vehicle make slut (Holden, Holden, Subaru, Mitsubishi) and buy purely on what I believe to be the best value-for-money for my purposes (peformance and comfort). However, based on my experience I currently believe that the 4 cylinder, turbo, all-wheel-drive format provides for these puproses the best.

Cheers

Wes

[Hazza]

Here, here.


Anyway guys, enjoy your cars, they are great cars and all have their relative strengths and weaknesses. I would own one of every type if I could afford it, and use them for their appropriate strengths.

-- Adrian

[NickS]

Driven plenty of late model commodores, however, not a VE V8. Definitely do not think that the extra cabin space/comfort makes up for the shortcomings in performance. But, I find the Evo comfortable so perhaps this should be taken with a grain of salt!!!

I am a vehicle make slut (Holden, Holden, Subaru, Mitsubishi) and buy purely on what I believe to be the best value-for-money for my purposes (peformance and comfort). However, based on my experience I currently believe that the 4 cylinder, turbo, all-wheel-drive format provides for these puproses the best.

Cheers

Wes

V8 Holdens have shortcomings in performance and Evos are comfortable ???

I give up ...

[CarlFST60L]

No, I'm saying that the Evo is exceptional value in that it is a great everyday driver that is a weapon on the track.

I am yet to read a single review (from a non EVO owner) that says the EVO is a good daily car.. Top gear has a good review on the EVO which is think is 100% on the money, cant seem to find it right now, im sure its on youtube...

There is no question the EVO is the best car for a track weapon for under $120K!! Its almost quicker than a BMW M3! And it is a few seconds in front of the STi and E series GTS. GTS / STi are very very close (all according to Motor Mag, Sti V GTS were within a some tenths)

I actually seriously considered the new EVO last year, but, couldn't handle the car as a daily driver, clutch was harsh, ride was way to stiff to go over those big bumps in 50 zones without slowing down, overal size was to small, couldn't tow my boat and fit all the stuff in the boot + 4 other people... But I wanted somthing better than my VY, the first drive in the E series HSV and i was sold, they have come a looooong way from a VR 5L...

Go the Barina!

anyway i give up... I guess you EVO boys think im being one eyed or somthing

[hsvredsled]

Years and years ago I did a bit of roundy stuff in rotaries, but I have never taken my current car to the track. But one thing I cant imagine is how the A4 would go as opposed to a Manuals.

Do they behave or can they kick back midcorner and provide all sorts of surprises. My guess manual shifting may shorten the gearbox life.

How do they go?

[Pulse Red]

I know that my mate said the EVO was a comfortable daily driver but it would drive me crazy, to me comfortable the EVO was not. Nice to drive everyday, with the way the EVO made its power, to me it was not. I think people have different ideas on what they find acceptable. Doesnt make either side wrong but it shows part of the reason why everyone does not drive the same type of car :)

[vosadrian]

So Nick...... now I might be missing a few screws in my head or something here, but can you point to exactly where I said that my car was better than a V8 or holden or anything else? I have said many times that an AWD turbo is quicker around a track, but never said it was a better car. Whether it is a better car depends on the needs of the person. Now since this thread is about a wakefield track day, I kind of thought that this attribute of a car was appropriate. Might I suggest you start a thread on carrying kids or comfort or something else? Wes and I both understand where you are coming from. We both say we respect Aussie V8s and think they are good cars.... but AWD turbos are just better for most motorsports, and this suits us better.

You guys are right about the kudos and it was there, and thanks for that and apologies for not recognising it.

I think some of you guys are a little bit sensitive. I can't see anyone saying V8s are crap or anything even remotely close. All we have said is for the track, an AWD turbo is better. This is hardly debatable considering Wes getting 3rd fastest time with a stock car with brakes pads and R specs... or is it?

I think LSX has the right attitude. I concurr with him, but Nick, you need to cool down mate.

-- Adrian




Yes you did ... you said several times that your car is better than ours because it's faster around Wakefield. You have not once acknowledged that going fast around Wakefield is quite possibly the last thing on the list of wants when we buy a car. Don't believe me ...





This one has me stumped ... how is a car that does everything extremelly well but is a little slower around a race track because it's big enough for 5 adults the emotional choice ??? Clearly number one on your list is track times ... that's emotion, not logic. Logic is buying a car like a Commodore / Falcon despite the fact that something half the size will go quicker around a race track.







Everyone jumped in to defend their cars because you made a pointless baiting comment. No one offered kudos hey ??? Selective reading at it's best ...











The whole point here is that many many people have said well done, you obviously have a fast car and you clearly have skill behind the wheel. You have once made a vague comment along the lines of "respect to your cars ... if that's what you like" but you have clearly been rubbing your time in our noses to get a response, you got plenty of kudos (which you chose to ignore) and where suprised when people did exactly what you have done all the way through this thread ... defended their car.

Subarus and Mitsubishis are great cars ... no doubt about it, everyone has given you that ... but you can't seem to say the same thing about our cars. So who is coming back with the "predictable responses".

:rolleyes:

[Evo07]

I was merely posting an opposing view to that of Nick's from someone in the same position of experiencing both types of vehicles - as clearly indicated in my initial post. Balance I think they call it...

Our feelings are evidenced by the fact that Nick drives a large V8 and I drive an Evo.

[CarlFST60L]

Lets all have a big hug :cheers:

Keen, pass it around

[NickS]

... but Nick, you need to cool down mate.

-- Adrian

I'm quite cool thanks ... you've done it again, I'm posting in exactly the same manner as you but with opposing view point ... first I'm predictable, now I need to cool down. All I have done is provide you with what you requested.

:rolleyes:

I think some of you guys are a little bit sensitive. I can't see anyone saying V8s are crap or anything even remotely close. All we have said is for the track, an AWD turbo is better. This is hardly debatable considering Wes getting 3rd fastest time with a stock car with brakes pads and R specs... or is it?

4th fastest ... :D

My problem with this whole thing has been that while you guys certainly aren't saying our cars are crap you are certainly not saying they are good cars. You have made a few fairly vague comments about "respect" etc. but you seem to really struggle to accept anything that drives the rear wheels and has a V8 can be a good car. Many of the V8 drivers have said over and over, credit to the turbos ... awesome cars, no doubt about it. What we have got in return (to my reading anyway) amounts nah, nah, nah we have the fastest cars. I bought other aspects of the cars into this thread as they are road cars, not track cars ... yes it was a day at Wakefield but IMO it's pointless to ignore the fact that most of the guys there do very few track days (maybe once a year) and they where not track cars out there.

Completely disregarding Erik's time is wrong IMO ... the day was all about fun, it's not a contest, he has electronic timing that I have proven is consistent with the track's timing system but all he got was "that doesn't count". I seriously think we should scrap lap timing if we do this again ... too many damn egos making a learning experience into a competition. Anyway ... yes, you had some of the fastest cars on the day, for that I say (again) well done.

[MrKeen]

Its really a futile argument you guys,they are different cars.As far as getting a car around wakefield fast or most any race track for that matter a comodore,Gts,ss watever will always get chopped by light awd turbo.Its a pointless comparisn.Nothing wrong with a little competion,timeing is a good thing....we should be stoked to get our family saloons anywhere near there cars.(not that 6-10sec really is anywhere near them anyway).I cant really see any huge disrespect by these boys Nick sorry.
It was a great day ,fluck im the one whose car didnt make it home.Stop carrying on like little girly men.:)

[vosadrian]

My problem with this whole thing has been that while you guys certainly aren't saying our cars are crap you are certainly not saying they are good cars. You have made a few fairly vague comments about "respect" etc. but you seem to really struggle to accept anything that drives the rear wheels and has a V8 can be a good car. Many of the V8 drivers have said over and over, credit to the turbos ... awesome cars, no doubt about it. What we have got in return (to my reading anyway) amounts nah, nah, nah we have the fastest cars. I bought other aspects of the cars into this thread as they are road cars, not track cars ... yes it was a day at Wakefield but IMO it's pointless to ignore the fact that most of the guys there do very few track days (maybe once a year) and they where not track cars out there.


Said it several times, and even said I would like to own all of the types of cars. Said I was impressed with Eriks results. Not sure what else I could say. All I said was a turbo AWD is better on the track. I did not comment on other aspects of cars... I mean after all this is a thread on a wakefield track day in the circuit racing section of a forum called "Trackchat". What was I thinking not to include rear leg room in the discussion?!?! You are all welcome to buy your cars for other reasons other than for circuit racing, and I am sure an EVO is a worse car than what you have for your requirments. I never disagreed with this. As I have said many times... enjoy your car... see you next time at the track.... first the rear bumper, and then in my rear vision mirror!!:)

[lautray]

Adrian, was your right rear totally shot at the end of the day? Saw a few lock-up's through the kink at the end of the straight. I thought you had a rock stuck in your tyre with the clicking, but I think it was just a (or several) flatspot? (that is a serious question :))

[vosadrian]

Adrian, was your right rear totally shot at the end of the day? Saw a few lock-up's through the kink at the end of the straight. I thought you had a rock stuck in your tyre with the clicking, but I think it was just a (or several) flatspot? (that is a serious question :))

All my tyres were shot (and I had 7 with me!!)!! The right rear did have some flat spotting, but the noise you heard was the deaminated tyres, as flat spotting was minimal. I have a brake bias issue at the moment as a result of upgrading the rear brakes, but the most serious problem for me on the day is that my 7 year old slicks were falling to bits. Every time I got them up to temp they would delaminate, so I only got a lap or two of slick grip before I had to back off due to lack of grip from the delaminated tyre (along with severe pulling to one side on the steering). Next time I will have better tyres!!

[veewhytu]

. I think people have different ideas on what they find acceptable. Doesnt make either side wrong but it shows part of the reason why everyone does not drive the same type of car :)

:yep: :yep:

Stop carrying on like little girly men.:)

That about sums it up Keen.

[Kyle]

I came to this forum to get away from the bullshit that goes on in so many other performance car related forums.
This is the first of such threads, and I would hope it's the last


Can someone PLEASE close this thread :(

[BOMI]

Kyle, NO, it is discussion but it got away from the theme of the thread. Maybe we need an area for different Makes and Engine types drivers to go and "Discuss" this sort of stuff.

Everyone knows that Evos rock outa the box. I test drove one a few months ago and if I had the $$$$ I would have bought it.

Everyone also knows that 4 wheels are better than 2 and that light cars generally go faster then heavy ones.

What if a heavy car has a powerful donk? Ahhhh you get a Holden and you get the time old banter that is "Milk and juice comes in two litres" and "V8's, ahhh" I haven't seen any V8's are lame stickers lately but you get my drift. In MY book its all fun and there are heaps of other cars that would wipe both cars off the track.

Its rivalry, thats all and should be kept to a friendly level as it was but reading it all from the start one could see it escalating.

Not conceding that Eriks time is fast due to it being non official is ahhh, hmmm, silly. Id like to put Erik in a Evo and see him smash out consistent mid 108's if not 107's. No bull, that man can drive, helps that he weighs 25 KG's also :D


Anyway, I thought Id jump in, ONE Im a founding member of this awesome friendly, no brand specific site and TWO I wanted to try and say, chill, all the cars that were out there were Fcking awesome and that no one is right or wrong its just opinion.


Troy :cheers:

[SSUte01]

Gents,

I have to echo Troy's comments.

Thanks for the entertaining reading and I genuinely wished I could've been there to see everyone run. Also hats off for not letting the thread diminish into a name slinging and juvenile antics. TC is all about people being passionate about their car regardless of make and model, and it is fairly evident that you are all that.

Well done for you all getting out there and having a go. If you all haven't already put some info about your rides I would really like to read more about them all in the your car/my thread.

Thanks again for the interesting reading and the good times in the roundy roundy, I dont do corners so well, but like to learn, please keep the discussion up as I and everyone else learns more.

Well done all!! :)

Luke :)

[lautray]

It is good to see lots of passion in this thread, whether it be for turbo 4, V8 etc etc. At the end of the day, I'm racing against myself more than against others i.e. trying for pb's. There will always be V8 versus turbo 4 rivalry & I reckon it is a healthy thing. After all, we are enthusiasts & we love what we drive :).

I only put up my lap timer pic to stir the pot a little :waving: :p (& show that I actually did it :)).

[BOMI]

Hey E, you and that 4th BS, no way, you will have to do it with me in the car :lmao:

Just so hard to...to.... oh ok yeah you can do a 1.12 in 4th the whole way around :o


Troy :cheers:

[lautray]

Hey E, you and that 4th BS, no way, you will have to do it with me in the car :lmao:

Just so hard to...to.... oh ok yeah you can do a 1.12 in 4th the whole way around :o


Troy :cheers:

I thought you'd appreciate that :lol:. H/C obviously helps :D. Can you imagine what Dunc's 438 would do in 4th only? Soooo much torque :yep: :yep: .

[Kyle]

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http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/813/mvp6692re3.jpg

I was expecting to see a lot more bodyroll than that :lol:

[Delft Maloo]

Where's the rest kyle?:toetap:

[NickS]

Posting photos of your own car and no one elses ... that's a banning offence

:yep:

[DaveHAT]

Years and years ago I did a bit of roundy stuff in rotaries, but I have never taken my current car to the track. But one thing I cant imagine is how the A4 would go as opposed to a Manuals.

Do they behave or can they kick back midcorner and provide all sorts of surprises. My guess manual shifting may shorten the gearbox life.

How do they go?

From my experience manually shifting an auto is a must on the circuit to try and achieve some form of engine braking ... that's what I did with my VL Calais many moons ago.

I know a few guys have taken autos on the track (Bomi & Nick) so they may be able to comment on the effect it has (if any) on A4 life.'

Perhaps send Troy a PM and ask him some questions about autos and circuit?

:)

[NickS]

re; auto & circuit ... I don't really have much clue what I'm doing out there, as is obvious by my slow arse lap times in my grey Taxi ... but;

I have always used the shifter, if you are driving at 75% you could probably get away without using it, but if you are going flat out the last thing you want is the car trying to accelerate in 4th / 5th (depending on gearbox) and then suddenly kicking down to 2nd or possibly even 1st. Doesn't make for fast lap times.

At Wakefield you really only use 2nd & 3rd for most of the track anyway, actually 3rd for almost all of it. I usually shift down a little later than you might in a manual to make sure I'm not throwing it into the low gear too early. I have replaced the gearbox in the Coupe 4 but I reckon that is probably more as a result of the 500+kW it's producing than from downshifting. I don't really know but I don't think downshifting (at an appropriate time) would be any worse than a sudden kickdown, it actually makes everything a lot smoother.

A transmission cooler may be a worthwhile investment if you are concerned about gearbox life. No doubting that a manual is the no. 1 choice for circuit work, but that doesn't mean you can't have a heap of fun in an auto.

Whilst on this topic, I must say the sequential shifter in the GTS worked a treat at Wakefield, didn't change gears when I didn't want it to once. I was generally shifting before red line and even with my foot flat to the floor it shifted when I told it to, it never held the gear all the way out to redline. It stayed in 3rd through all the 3rd gear stuff regardless of revs ... I was quite impressed, I expected it to be shifting on it's own every 2nd corner.

:cheers:

[FatBoy]

I came to this forum to get away from the bullshit that goes on in so many other performance car related forums.
This is the first of such threads, and I would hope it's the last

Yeah, i agree. And sorry guys, the bloke made a smartarse remark and everyone jumped up and down and started crying about it. Lighten up, fark...

My shitbox naturally aspirated bridgeported RX-7 would have handed everyone their arses down there on the day - the times were shit in comparison. Ignore the fact it was a stripped down road car with a cage, good suspension and huge brakes. It ran the times on 205/60/15 Yoko's for farks sake.

Do i now claim Mazda rotaries are the be all and all end all of performance cars ?? No, i don't. That's just stupidity.

The Evo's are a great package. Look sexy, and go hard. I love them. If they could tow a 1000+ kg boat i'd almost own one. The track times reflect how good they are...

The V8's on the other hand are fatarsed family barges with a silly amount of straightline grunt. Getting them to handle a tight track like Wakefield is no easy task - full credit to Erik on breaking into the 9's - that's very impressive.

Further to the above, everything is a compromise. I love my lazy V8, it tows whatever i want, and puts a smile on my face when i mash the pedal - and due to other interests, it's still stock.

That's what it's all about guys - enjoying what you have. We all make choices for a reason - if it was fast times we'd all own stripped out racers, if it was luxury we'd be in Mercs or Beemers.

It's a shame this has turned into a pissing contest. It's not just coming from one side though fellas...

[hsvredsled]

Yeah, i agree. And sorry guys, the bloke made a smartarse remark and everyone jumped up and down and started crying about it. Lighten up, fark...

My shitbox naturally aspirated bridgeported RX-7 would have handed everyone their arses down there on the day - the times were shit in comparison. Ignore the fact it was a stripped down road car with a cage, good suspension and huge brakes. It ran the times on 205/60/15 Yoko's for farks sake.

Do i now claim Mazda rotaries are the be all and all end all of performance cars ?? No, i don't. That's just stupidity.

The Evo's are a great package. Look sexy, and go hard. I love them. If they could tow a 1000+ kg boat i'd almost own one. The track times reflect how good they are...

The V8's on the other hand are fatarsed family barges with a silly amount of straightline grunt. Getting them to handle a tight track like Wakefield is no easy task - full credit to Erik on breaking into the 9's - that's very impressive.

Further to the above, everything is a compromise. I love my lazy V8, it tows whatever i want, and puts a smile on my face when i mash the pedal - and due to other interests, it's still stock.

That's what it's all about guys - enjoying what you have. We all make choices for a reason - if it was fast times we'd all own stripped out racers, if it was luxury we'd be in Mercs or Beemers.

It's a shame this has turned into a pissing contest. It's not just coming from one side though fellas...

And I recon my race prep Rx2 street sedan from 20 years ago would beat up your bridgy RX7...:D :D

Only kidding fatboy :beer: ....

Personally I think the banter is good. The forum is called 'track chat', and thats what we have got. :yep:

Its like the footy..the controversy..the big hits...thats what brings the crowds.

[NickS]

And I recon my race prep Rx2 street sedan from 20 years ago would beat up your bridgy RX7...:D :D

Yeah ... well Carl's Barina would flog everyone !!!

:hide:

[hsvredsled]

Yeah ... well Carl's Barina would flog everyone !!!

:hide:

probably would:yep:

On a different note, has all this AWD turbo talk inspired you to take the coupe next time Nick???

[NickS]

probably would:yep:

On a different note, has all this AWD turbo talk inspired you to take the coupe next time Nick???

Possibly ... but it would ensure even more of the same when it wasn't as fast as the pocket rockets ... and it wouldn't be, at 2.1 tonnes, not a chance.

(not too mention I'm a big girl ... I think I can't shake the vision of a $50K + loss ... or significantly more ... and drive accordingly)

[BOMI]

My auto at WP and EC sits in 2nd a lot so there is no chance of kick back through corners.

It sticks and bounces of the rev limiter sometimes and thats a real pain.

My PB at WP is 1.13 and Im pretty happy with that in an auto.

If you have any other questions mate please just send me a text or start a thread on Auto's on the roundy roundy.


Troy :)

[michael_]

Where's the rest kyle?:toetap:

Posting photos of your own car and no one elses ... that's a banning offence

:yep:

haha soz guys i only managed to get the shots to kyle yesterday so hopefully he will have them ready soon to both go online and purchase.

[evil_weevil]

holleeey sheeeet!
1.09 is freakin fast!!!!

glad to hear you guys had a top day down there. Im yet still to do wakie, I'll get there one day and my aim is a 1.15.

And who cares what cars faster and yadda yadda yadda, as long as your there, on the track with a smile on ya face, isnt that what its all about??
Every track day I do I get smashed by cars with less mods! I dont care, I love it!
























p.s. teh GTAH can nevar lose! :D :p

[stav]

Wow, go away for a couple of days and look what happens! Good thread, a lot of interesting points here. For me its simple, different strokes for different folks. I think any true car lover, would appreciate all cars large and small for their merits...

More importantly though, back to the original purpose of this thread being the trackday, does anyone by any chance have any more photos to post up? There were some nice cars and I would love to see some photos on track. Having said that, I apologise in advance, I brought my camera along with me and it ended up staying in the car since I had car troubles early on and ended up cutting the day short.

[MY Racing 221]

Wow, go away for a couple of days and look what happens! Good thread, a lot of interesting points here. For me its simple, different strokes for different folks. I think any true car lover, would appreciate all cars large and small for their merits...



Amen to that! Sorry, I know I'm going OT again, but have only just read this thread again.

It seems to me that the majority of people here are true enthusiasts that don't need to engage in a pissing contest. :bravo: We've all got different cars, that do different things, with different strengths and weaknesses - doesn't make one better than the other... just different!

Some people couldn't handle the Evo as an everyday proposition, fair enough, I can understand why. The ride is 'busy' (at best) until you get up to some reasonable speeds, and its very sensitive to slight throttle movements at low speed. But... it suits me, and I like it. (I'd actually like something that's a little bit more 'raw' such as an Elise, but with a baby on the way I figure the Evo is a good compromise that will allow a baby seat.

Does that mean others are wrong because they choose a VE SS or *insert your preferred car here*? No way! They are another awesome car, just with slightly different priorities. If my wife wasn't happy driving around in the Disco tow car, there's every chance I'd be in a VE myself as there is no way the Evo can tow the race car.

Different strokes for different folks (Wha' chou talkin' 'bout Willis?!!). Lets enjoy the fact we all like different things... part of what makes us interesting human beings! :beer:

*NB - Not a rant, just a bit of stream of consciousness blurting out some random thoughts!*

[Delft Maloo]

Dunc did you happen to log any of your sessions form the day there. im trying to work out what the barometric pressure was for the day so i can calculate my boost from my logs. my map sensor recorded a max of 134kpa but it wont give me an accurate boost result cause i dont know what the standard baro was befor going into boost.
any help from anyone would also be good.
cheers tim
And kyle wheres my ute pictures at:whip:

[SSUte01]

As discused, Tim, given the altitude of Goulburn (700 odd metres) I would think that you would be lucky to crack 95 or 96kPa. That said I would think you would be in vicinity of 5.5 to 6 lbs of boost give or take half a pound

[Scotty]

Looks like kyle has been uploading pics for us....

http://www.kylesharpphoto.com/gallery/d/13683-1/MVP_6407.jpg


http://www.kylesharpphoto.com/gallery/d/13745-1/MVP_6493.jpg

more here... http://www.kylesharpphoto.com/gallery/v/album_004/album_004/?g2_enterAlbum=1

[SSUte01]

Looks like kyle has been uploading pics for us....


http://www.kylesharpphoto.com/gallery/d/13745-1/MVP_6493.jpg

more here... http://www.kylesharpphoto.com/gallery/v/album_004/album_004/?g2_enterAlbum=1
It's just a little bit dusty, it's still good, it's still good :D

Nice shots btw as always

[Delft Maloo]

Kyle and his mate are campions:bravo: .
Check out the wheight transfer down the straight:shock: .
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb105/tkwpalm/maloo.jpg

[MrKeen]

There are some really good photo's ....great work.How can I get a good quality shot for the office?

[35R]

Dunc did you happen to log any of your sessions form the day there. im trying to work out what the barometric pressure was for the day so i can calculate my boost from my logs. my map sensor recorded a max of 134kpa but it wont give me an accurate boost result cause i dont know what the standard baro was befor going into boost.
any help from anyone would also be good.
cheers tim
And kyle wheres my ute pictures at:whip:

Tim I think i have some logs at work, will look tomorrow

[Delft Maloo]

There are some really good photo's ....great work.How can I get a good quality shot for the office?

Kyle has mentioned about the purchase of a cd containing all the images for about $20, if thats still the deal i want a copy with high res images

[Delft Maloo]

Tim I think i have some logs at work, will look tomorrow

Thanks mate, luke did give me a good indication of what it should be, but it would still be cool just to compare some readings.
cheers tim