Round 2 NSW Supersprint Series Sunday 27th April Wakefield Park

[lautray]

We're back into circuit mode again & tomorrow is round 2 of our supersprint series, down at Wakefield. Team Russo will be there in force :D. Weather may make it interesting (see below). If the track is even remotely damp, it's going to be a challenge competing with the AWD Evo & Sti's, but should be fun trying :D. Giddyup!

Forecast for Goulburn http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN10061.shtml#ST :

Scattered showers. Becoming colder. Fresh to strong and gusty northwest winds.

Goulburn : Windy, shower or two. Min: 9 Max: 15

[35R]

We're back into circuit mode again & tomorrow is round 2 of our supersprint series, down at Wakefield. Team Russo will be there in force :D. Weather may make it interesting (see below). If the track is even remotely damp, it's going to be a challenge competing with the AWD Evo & Sti's, but should be fun trying :D. Giddyup!

Forecast for Goulburn http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN10061.shtml#ST :

Scattered showers. Becoming colder. Fresh to strong and gusty northwest winds.

Goulburn : Windy, shower or two. Min: 9 Max: 15

Mate if it is wet i am going to hang out for a dry session, the sti's and evo's will eat us for breakfast on a wet wakefield track.

[PSI38L]

good luck guys! I was there yesterday, it was wet in the morning but it was dry by lunch time

[lautray]

good luck guys! I was there yesterday, it was wet in the morning but it was dry by lunch time
What was the track like John?

[Duffman]

Good luck today guys. I hope the weather holds out for you.

[35R]

It promised to be a crap day all-round today; my new suspension with a paultry 1* of camber (hmmm) + a forecast of SQUALS AND HAIL + a 3:30am ALARM to get to Goulburn for scrutineering at 7:15am. The drive down was onimous, the weather threatening all the way (and ALL DAY as it turned out). It was raining on and off throughout scruitineering. I was not a happy camper.

However it ended up being a great day, with next to zero rain. We both notched up PB's (within 5/100ths of each other!) in the LAST session.

Unfarkenbelievable!

I have some videos to post up, hopefully tonight.

[lautray]

It promised to be a crap day all-round today; my new suspension with a paultry 1* of camber (hmmm) + a forecast of SQUALS AND HAIL + a 3:30am ALARM to get to Goulburn for scrutineering at 7:15am. The drive down was onimous, the weather threatening all the way (and ALL DAY as it turned out). It was raining on and off throughout scruitineering. I was not a happy camper.

However it ended up being a great day, with next to zero rain. We both notched up PB's (within 5/100ths of each other!) in the LAST session.

Unfarkenbelievable!

I have some videos to post up, hopefully tonight.
Was one of the longest race days for us! Struggled even with the drive down.

Team Russo cars ran fantastic. Still waiting for official Natsoft timing confirmation, but our lap timers suggest both Duncan & I were in the 1:08.6 :D, Duncan 0.05s quicker than me :D. Awesome. The race was on for the 1:08's, and we both smashed it in the last session. My tyres were protesting late in the day, so I ran them backwards. I reckon it definitely helped, as I shaved .9s just by doing that alone. Competition improves the breed indeed! We were <2s off STi/Evo pace, which is great considering :).

Can't wait to see some footage & official natsoft timing results

[OZY 260]

Well done guys, great to hear of the PB's and all the best with future events
Brett

[Scotty]

Good work gents!

I am itching to visit the track again...

[bok1]

good job duncan and erik.let's see the videoes.

phil

[35R]

I am having real trouble getting any decent quality video out of my new camera. Anyway here is a clip, chasing an Evo - i think it was a 1:06.xx car (outright winner on the day i think) you can see i am losing 2~3 seconds a lap, but it's always good to have someone to chase anyway.

Btw, with the supersprint format, the start/finish line was just past the "fishhook" left-hander. So basically you got half a lap to warm up your tyres and brakes; and half a lap to cool everything down :weirdo: which i thought was a bit odd.

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Edit: grabing 4th after turn 2 in later sessions yielded results

[lautray]

Busy at the wheel Dunc. Car sounds fab.

Weren't the tyres squealing heaps with the track resurface? Was quite off-putting the first couple of laps. Was not used to it.

[35R]

Busy at the wheel Dunc. Car sounds fab.

Weren't the tyres squealing heaps with the track resurface? Was quite off-putting the first couple of laps. Was not used to it.

New surface is a bit hit and miss. Lots of grip in places but rather skaty too

[Duffman]

Nice vid Dunc. I was surprised at how little you change gears. Is that normal leaving in in third for Wakefield or is that because your motor has so much torque you don't need to down shift? Either way, very cool :bow:

[lautray]

Nice vid Dunc. I was surprised at how little you change gears. Is that normal leaving in in third for Wakefield or is that because your motor has so much torque you don't need to down shift? Either way, very cool :bow:

You'd be surprised how little changing we do at all 3 circuits we visit i.e. Oran Park, Wakefield & Eastern Creek... most are predominantly 3rd gear circuits. For Wakefield, my laps only consist of 6-8 gearshifts, depending how the car is going. I think Oran is similar. Eastern creek may have ten if lucky, but usually less... sometimes it is easier to use a higher gear so as to have traction & not torch the rear tyres ;).

[35R]

Tom to echo what Erik says it's mainly a circuit for 3rd and 4th gear. I should be grabbing 4th after turn 2 (didnt in that session, but you can see i went to grab it a couple of times) as i was still getting used to the circuit at that stage. I could even grab 4th approaching the fishhook i suppose, i might give that a go next time.

[OZY 260]

Great Video Dunc, looks awsome and car sounds great

[lautray]

O/t, great signature Tom. Love it :lol: .

[Duffman]

O/t, great signature Tom. Love it :lol: .

It's not just a signature, it's how I live life :D

[evil_weevil]

and you guys are in the SVD class?

Damn :(

haha I have no hope! haha

[lautray]

and you guys are in the SVD class?

Damn :(

haha I have no hope! haha

Funny that... we have no hope in SVD against the Evo's & Sti's :headbang: . Perhaps Eastern Creek may help us with a bit more hp :D. I think we're going to have to go sub 1:50 there :yep: .

[35R]

Some vision of the last session where we ran 1:08's

Sorry the quality is shyte

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[Hazza]

Awesome guys!!

Lucky buggers only needing 3rd out of the fish hook and last turn. You make it look very easy Dunc. I haven't been for donkeys years, but am getting very itchy again.

I notice on Natsoft they have you both down as 1.09.1500!!! WOW.. the exact same laptime down to the thousandths. Very wierd timing from the fishhook, is that why the time is in the 9's and not the 8's?

[35R]

That's a contentious issue atm Hazza, if you look the is another guy who also (apparently) ran 1:09.1500's as well. It turns out that other guys time was "corrected" for some reason - and it seems Erik and I also both have that exact same time too. I've raised it with them - they say it's a coincidence.

Personally i dont see how it's possible really - three people have all run the exact same time - but they are refusing to change it and say "coincidences do happen.."

FWIW the Supersprint timing is all DONE BY HAND (believe it or not). That's right there is a guy hitting a button to record times for each car. So, i am not sure what to make of all that atm, it's a bit unbelievable really.

[Duffman]

FWIW the Supersprint timing is all DONE BY HAND (believe it or not). That's right there is a guy hitting a button to record times for each car. So, i am not sure what to make of all that atm, it's a bit unbelievable really.

:lol: Your joking aren't you? How the hell is a guy hitting a button supposed to be considered accurate in a sport where hundreths of a second can mean the difference between first and second place? :confused:

Is there a website for the Supersprint comp? I'm interested to learn what the format is all about.

[35R]

:lol: Your joking aren't you? How the hell is a guy hitting a button supposed to be considered accurate in a sport where hundreths of a second can mean the difference between first and second place? :confused:

Is there a website for the Supersprint comp? I'm interested to learn what the format is all about.

Not joking i'm afraid. I believe there is a push to get transponders in for future years. Apparently there are some that dont want to pay the +$15 for the transponders. Personally i don't understand that, supersprints are about your best time (that's the only lap that counts) why wouldnt you want proper timing?

[Beej]

Funny that... we have no hope in SVD against the Evo's & Sti's :headbang: . Perhaps Eastern Creek may help us with a bit more hp :D. I think we're going to have to go sub 1:50 there :yep: .

When I was running in the state SS series in 2005/2006 that's the reason I kept my cars modifications such that I could run in Type 2 :) Remember also that the EVOs/STIs in SVD are there because they have been "chipped" + have intake mods - if they leave the computer and intake alone, then they stay in Type 2 (and in that spec they CAN be beaten by LSx powered Commy's!).

PS: Re the timing, at a couple of rounds I have been to transponders were used - however, you would be surprised generally how accurate the "button" timing is (it's actually a foot pedal so the timers hands are free). Remember it's been done that way in organised motorsport for over a century, and they have two timers, and they have procedures/way's to resolve in disputed times. My gf always timed me and in over 20 meetings the times she recorded were always within 1/10s of the official times, for every lap.

Cheers,

Beej

[35R]

When I was running in the state SS series in 2005/2006 that's the reason I kept my cars modifications such that I could run in Type 2 :) Remember also that the EVOs/STIs in SVD are there because they have been "chipped" + have intake mods - if they leave the computer and intake alone, then they stay in Type 2 (and in that spec they CAN be beaten by LSx powered Commy's!).

PS: Re the timing, at a couple of rounds I have been to transponders were used - however, you would be surprised generally how accurate the "button" timing is (it's actually a foot pedal so the timers hands are free). Remember it's been done that way in organised motorsport for over a century, and they have two timers, and they have procedures/way's to resolve in disputed times. My gf always timed me and in over 20 meetings the times she recorded were always within 1/10s of the official times, for every lap.

Cheers,

Beej

Beej we found that for Oran Park the timing was VERY close. And FWIW, after talking to a few people (at Wakefield) they said last year the timing was a shocker, really bad. So it sounds hit an miss. I am convinced there was a stuff up this time (three people running the exact same time and one with a correction of sorts?) i dont see that as possible.

[lautray]

When I was running in the state SS series in 2005/2006 that's the reason I kept my cars modifications such that I could run in Type 2 :) Remember also that the EVOs/STIs in SVD are there because they have been "chipped" + have intake mods - if they leave the computer and intake alone, then they stay in Type 2 (and in that spec they CAN be beaten by LSx powered Commy's!).
Mods were done for both Duncan & I way before supersprint was even a thought... SVD it was then, by default ;). Even h/c throws you into SV :shock: .

There's one uber quick EVO in 2D... he is very close to SVD leader i.e. only 0.7s slower at Wakefield. We'd not be able to compete with him even if we were in 2D as he was ~1.6s quicker than us on official timing (1:07.58 :eek:). We do go out with them in green (quick) group though.

I think Duncan & I are just trying to push each other along & achieve pb's every meet, which is happening so far :D. Competition improves the breed, & the race is on for 1:07's at Wakefield :D.

[Beej]

Mods were done for both Duncan & I way before supersprint was even a thought... SVD it was then, by default ;). Even h/c throws you into SV :shock: .

There's one uber quick EVO in 2D... he is very close to SVD leader i.e. only 0.7s slower at Wakefield. We'd not be able to compete with him even if we were in 2D as he was ~1.6s quicker than us on official timing (1:07.58 :eek:). We do go out with them in green (quick) group though.

I think Duncan & I are just trying to push each other along & achieve pb's every meet, which is happening so far :D. Competition improves the breed, & the race is on for 1:07's at Wakefield :D.

All sounds good! Re the uber EVO - Wakefield is heaven for them remember - at EC, OP GP and even OP South you guys should be competitive with a car/driver like that. That's one of the great things about the series, some cars/drivers suit particular tracks better than others, but you get to compete at all the different tracks so it's all fair in the end!

Re H&C, it used to be the case (and I thought still was???) that heads and cams are free for N/A cars in Type 2, as long as the engine capacity remains within a reasonable tolerance of standard (ie no stroker kits, forced induction etc), and the car remains road registered? It was certainly no secret I was running a cam (along with extractors, exhaust, springs, shocks, strut brace etc), and that was all considered completely OK for type 2.

Cheers,

Beej

[Beej]

Beej we found that for Oran Park the timing was VERY close. And FWIW, after talking to a few people (at Wakefield) they said last year the timing was a shocker, really bad. So it sounds hit an miss. I am convinced there was a stuff up this time (three people running the exact same time and one with a correction of sorts?) i dont see that as possible.

Fair enuf Dunan - I am sure mistakes can and have happened, but it should be the exception rather than the rule - after all the officials are all volunteers, plus you are only racing for $5 trophies :). It's still fun though! :)

Cheers,

Beej

[35R]

Fair enuf Dunan - I am sure mistakes can and have happened, but it should be the exception rather than the rule - after all the officials are all volunteers, plus you are only racing for $5 trophies :). It's still fun though! :)

Cheers,

Beej

True Beej, hardly sheepstations. Yes it's a hell of a lot of fun which is the main reason for doing it.

[Hazza]

Wow. I forgot to look back here after my last post.

That astounds me about the hand timing. Not for one second would the volunteers be to blame, but cmon, volunteers are getting harder and harder to find, and so to use volunteers and a hand timing system at a circuit that has professional dorian gear already set up, is an insult to both the drivers and the volunteers IMO.

I still can't understand the decision behind that. Even on track days, the extra expense of the pro timing equipment is pretty cheap, and they would be freeing up the volunteers for other tasks like marshalling etc.

But yeah it wouldn't stop me from competing as its all about the fun.