WTF is going on at ls1 these days....

[WOMBIE]

I have noticed a lot of shit fighting going on over there especially with build threads of peoples rides.Lots of personal attacks lately and most notably for me is that of VooDoo's Administrative Suspension.....i don't get it....am i missing something :confused:

I value a lot of peoples opinions over the fence and for that matter here but i must be just too naive in the world of car enthusiasts to realise that there are people who will tear you down in a heartbeat and for what.....to satisfy their egos.

I must admit i've copped a bit of shit via PM's over there but i can handle that side of things(did i mention i hate confrontations :rolleyes:)and if i'm wrong about something then i say i'm wrong but fuck some things just piss me off no end...Stewart leaving being one of them.

What happened mate that pushed you toward your decision?I hope it was nothing too serious.Whatever the reason even though i had very little dealings with you if at all,i respect you and enjoyed reading your contributions....thank you for that.Don't fall of the face of the planet cause i may need a sea change and might need to contact you for some work :D

Am i over reading the situation or is this why TrackChat was born...to rid ourselves of the constant bitching and bullshit that seems to have exacerbated of late.Yes some people cause shit for themselves but for the most part the personal attacks are unwarranted IMHO!

End rant.....time for some of these :beer:

:cheers:
Darren

[lautray]

Dude, I've got no idea what all that's about as I pretty much only go on there to check out the classifieds. And thats only every so often. Every time I click on new posts there 20 pages :confused: . So it's a case of "mark forums read". Contributions are few & far between.

We're lucky here... we've only got to put up with ...HAT ego's :nana: .

[99gti]

Huge ego's can destroy an internet forum pretty quick. I like to 0 BS tollerance policy - works well I find.

[35R]

To an extent Wombie i think a lot of the crap is just an attribute of any massive online forum. The sheep station sponsorship aspect complicates matters too. Recognise it for what it is i guess. You can always go there, hit New Posts and get out the pop-corn!

What happened with Voodoo? I must have missed that.

[WOMBIE]

Mate i'm not sure exactly but it's been my observation that a few members there have been running him down with a few low cowardly comments and probably PMs but he must have had enough.Only he knows the full story.

It's just a shame that's all.

[Desertws6]

G'day Wombie,

I do understand what you are saying, and I hear ya mate. It almost seems like someone gave a kid a new toy that wants to use it for destructive purposes.
It seems to all lead back to an old saying "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" there does seem to be quite a bit less on biting ones own tongue these days in forums and life. And forums seem at time like a free for all at time with "electronic hooning" and "shenanigans".
Some of the forums that I have looked at are nothing more that a crap sling fest. This behaviour is ridiculous.

We can't control other peoples action, but we can control ourselves!

I agree mate, and well put!

Cheers,
Steve :cheers:

[smokiebbear]

At the end of the day ls1 is ls1 and unfortunatly I don't think you'll get the full story on an open forum.

:cheers: matt

[veewhytu]

The whole place seems to have dumbed down a bit, part of it i reackon is the ls1 is getting long in the tooth these days so they are more affordable, you can get a vt ss for 10k so there is a lot more trashtalking wannabes.

Another thing that doesnt help is the whole tuna/sonny debacle...they've obviousy had a pretty big fall out, and airing their dirty laundry in public is doing neither of them any favours....though im pissing myself laughing watching their egos collide :slap:

[Dan_]

Sounds like the same thing that is beginning to happen at ECCA. Now the E36 is so affordable people are jumping in them and on the forum posting stupid stuff with no regards for searches or common sense. The act like tossers some of them.

[VP-006]

.


I don't know if this will be of any value to anyone.

There's the way we would like things to be,

And then there's the way things are.

Even I sometimes have trouble opreating within the second reality.

But I'm stiil here, and I'm glad of that.


.

[DaveHAT]

My take on Daz is ... LS1 is more about money than enthusiasts these days and also the ongoing contest to "out piss" or undo the next person or competitor.

Whilst LS1 is a varitable font of info for LS1 owners it is also the home of pissing contests and tall poopy syndrome. The preferred marketing technique for many (specific) sponsors is to deliberately shit pick and find fault with what others are doing.

You then have those who are so tightly aligned with "their tuner" that you can't tell where "the tuner" starts and the "fan" finishes. This in turn creates a goon following which is IMO displayed with an attitude that "my tuner knows everything" type of mentality whereby everything "the tuner" says and does MUST be the best and always right" ... boring really!

As the egocentric senior HATTRAY :woot: has eluded to ... there are just too many egos. Most of it stems from a specific corner of LS1 which I'd be happy to discuss with you in person ... the common theme being that a specific sector spots an opportunity to make some bucks from (insert name here) until such time as (insert name here) works out that they're only interested in money ... and are prepared to sell shit ... (insert name here) then gets dropped like the proverbial bag of shit and made (in no uncertain terms) to look like the bad guy who dared to rubbish a genuinely shit product etc.

Complex much !!!

Don't even try to understand it Daz ... there's nothing of any value in doing so. Complex in nature with most of the interesting stuff occurring behind closed doors in places such as MSN, PM, mIRC and similar. Sift through the shit and treat LS1 for what it is. A filtered, sponsored, self promoted, egocentric, two faced internet forum. Gain whatever value you can from it and understand that a lot of what you see on the magical blue screen IS nothing more than a scripted/edited version of what actually happened. It's the stuff you don't hear about and that ISN'T posted that really defines LS1 in many ways.

Don't get me wrong ... there's a LOT of good things about LS1 such as the members. That's ultimately what makes it ... much of that has filtered over here to TC which is great. VooDoo's departure from LS1 I suspect would be due to a complex series of events that has occurred over a span of time. Only a select few will know about it. Whilst a shame ... the forum will no doubt continue.

:cool:

[Muncha]

It seems like it is more of a sponsors forum than a members forum, there is a lot of pissing contests going on.

[FatBoy]

That's the problem with a sponsored forum. The dollar speaks louder and reality gets left behind in the wake...

There was some detailer dude awhile back that ripped a few people off on the forum and was a protected species for quite some time - eventually it got out that the guy was a fraud but in the meantime plenty got sucked in because they only allowed posts that blew wind up the guys arse...

Don't get me wrong - there's still plenty of good guys and plenty of good reading over there. But the fact it's so commercial is not a good thing...

Cheers,
Paul...

[Dan_]

That's the problem with a sponsored forum. The dollar speaks louder and reality gets left behind in the wake...

There was some detailer dude awhile back that ripped a few people off on the forum and was a protected species for quite some time - eventually it got out that the guy was a fraud but in the meantime plenty got sucked in because they only allowed posts that blew wind up the guys arse...

Don't get me wrong - there's still plenty of good guys and plenty of good reading over there. But the fact it's so commercial is not a good thing...

Cheers,
Paul...

I remember that. I wasnt even a member then and i knew about it. He had all sorts of excuses as to why this and that happened. His thread about washing is still stickied (some of its wrong IMO FYI lol) over there

[35R]

Yes ls1 has basically become an online magazine now, dollars are taken for advertising - and no magazine will allow negative commentary. There's the whole libel/slander legal thing too (for negative reviews). It's a bit dangerous for newbies looking for products/services (probably not much different to reading SMC really!). The net effect of ls1 is good though. A lot of people knock it but they still spend a significant chunk of their time there. That's what makes it a really useful resource, the huge collective audience; it's the largest ls1 community we have, with a vast database of questions & answers - if you have a query, chances are someone will answer it.

[smokiebbear]

I think ls1 has a purpose, and you just need to find what it is you want from it. I myself will be posting less and less there (as i'm currently organising a cruise in a few weeks on there) and more and more on helpful, friendly and informative forums like Trackchat.

:thumbs:

[CalaisRider]

I think ls1 has a purpose, and you just need to find what it is you want from it. I myself will be posting less and less there (as i'm currently organising a cruise in a few weeks on there) and more and more on helpful, friendly and informative forums like Trackchat.

:thumbs:


Any further updates on that cruse Smokie???? Last time i saw the thread it looks like being a freight train.... :wave:

[VooDoo]

I'm just over the place, there is nothing at all going for the place anymore so i asked for my account to be deleted. Ive had Sponsors ringing each other to bag out a suspected compeditor or blaming a 3rd sponsor for something. The attacks on me both personally and professionally by wankers over there not to mention people ringing my suppliers to find out information about what im doing (because its nothing to do with them and i wouldnt tell them). More ppl are concerned with what im doing and who with than their own lives lately. Ive even had ppl ring my business partner to "advise" him i was broke and bankrupt. If thats how the LS1 forum members want to do things i want nothing to do with them. My requests to the forum owner to remove the attacks on me went unanswered so its as good as supporting them in my books.

I have no desire to contribute there any longer nor promote it as a place to learn about the cars and engines or as a friendly place to arrange cruises. Quite simply its 100% about sponsors, ego's and wankers who are jealous when others succeed in there goals.

[smokiebbear]

I'm trying to orgonise a reccie run with Gary next weekend (sun 22nd), haven't caught him on msn last few days and i'm constantly working so it's been hard to catch up. I think the thread on ls1 needs a bump to get a few more along. I will be on msn tonight Pete after 5pm, if you speak with gary can you let him know and we can discuss this further:D

[MID02K]

Well Done Stu
Glad to see someone finally stood up for themselves.
OF late i have been contemplating asking for my account to be removed for similar reasons...
Its just a pissing contest now....

Thank god for this place...

[smokiebbear]

I will be asking for my account to be removed also after the cruise. To be honest i'm also over it, allowing the instigators to stay on at ls1 and not giving a rats a$$ about what happened with Stu is just proof that regardless how helpful and well respected you are that the bottom line over there is profit and keeping the idiots happy. Hopefully you still come along on the cruise Stu, just pretend it has nothing to do with ls1 and just a bunch of guys and girls that love cars that are going for a sunday cruise.

[VooDoo]

Sorry mate but no cruise for me. The GTO is in the shop for a while.

Also please dont think you or anyone else needs to quit the forum in support of me or based on my experiences there. Its a personal thing and its something I chose to do for myself.

[smokiebbear]

Stu i think there is no point staying in the pool if there are crocodiles swimming around. I'll just stay on the shore and watch everyone else get eaten:yep:

[CalaisRider]

I will be asking for my account to be removed also after the cruise. To be honest i'm also over it, allowing the instigators to stay on at ls1 and not giving a rats a$$ about what happened with Stu is just proof that regardless how helpful and well respected you are that the bottom line over there is profit and keeping the idiots happy. Hopefully you still come along on the cruise Stu, just pretend it has nothing to do with ls1 and just a bunch of guys and girls that love cars that are going for a sunday cruise.


Yeh very true and not a bad thought smokie. Stu has provided me with a wealth of personal guidance and support across the past two years since my coming onto the LS1 scene (for which I am ever greatful).

I don't post on LS1 much anymore due to the politics as described above.

[smokiebbear]

Yeh very true and not a bad thought smokie. Stu has provided me with a wealth of personal guidance and support across the past two years since my coming onto the LS1 scene (for which I am ever greatful).

I don't post on LS1 much anymore due to the politics as described above.

Hopefully we can still get Stu to come along on the cruise. Anyone from BCCC that may be interested in coming Pete?

[35R]

I'm just over the place, there is nothing at all going for the place anymore so i asked for my account to be deleted. Ive had Sponsors ringing each other to bag out a suspected compeditor or blaming a 3rd sponsor for something. The attacks on me both personally and professionally by wankers over there not to mention people ringing my suppliers to find out information about what im doing (because its nothing to do with them and i wouldnt tell them). More ppl are concerned with what im doing and who with than their own lives lately. Ive even had ppl ring my business partner to "advise" him i was broke and bankrupt. If thats how the LS1 forum members want to do things i want nothing to do with them. My requests to the forum owner to remove the attacks on me went unanswered so its as good as supporting them in my books.

I have no desire to contribute there any longer nor promote it as a place to learn about the cars and engines or as a friendly place to arrange cruises. Quite simply its 100% about sponsors, ego's and wankers who are jealous when others succeed in there goals.

Stu, i have seen a glimpse of what you're talking about. A well known identity actually called a particular shop and threatended to "close them down". A few incidents like that. It's annoying. I can understand if you are sick of the scene. I guess there comes a time when it becomes too much.

[seedyrom]

There's a cracker of a thread going on at the moment

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=84563&page=16

Not that it is the first time such thing have transpired with the person/sponsor

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=69268

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=81797

By that stage the person involved reqalised that to be protected, you must be a sponsor :)

I wonder how long the current thread (the first link mentioned) will stay up for

[FatBoy]

Hmmm, what was that i was saying about forum sponsors being a protected species ??

That's just fucked. The engine doesn't have the gear in it that it was advertised to have, yet they are trying to hide behind the "we don't know what you did with it.." line...

What a fucking joke. If i was that bloke i'd be filthy and already on a plane to Adelaide...

[CalaisRider]

Hopefully we can still get Stu to come along on the cruise. Anyone from BCCC that may be interested in coming Pete?



Ill ask around. Most of the guys and gals there are into shorter runs than that proposed.

Having said that I have got a cruise lined up for BCCC dudes this coming Sunday - going on a "half circuit" to that of yours. We will be running through the twisties as far as Queen Mary Falls, then stopoff and have a B.B.Q, yarn and maybe a bit of sightseeing. Then return home the alternate way through Boonah.

As normal a lot of people are cross forum members (hence LS1 based too).

:cheers:

Pete

[Bermudablue]

I assume it go's something like this

"I'll be getting my turbo's from somewhere else now"

Reply

"Lets carve this bastard up whenever we can"

Money and power does strange things to people.
Theres shitloads of Belinda Neals and Della Bosca's out there.

[MID02K]

Also please dont think you or anyone else needs to quit the forum in support of me or based on my experiences there. Its a personal thing and its something I chose to do for myself.
My reference to me removing my account Stu was based on my own thoughts, feeling and beleifs....
Im sick of the shite over there...
Its a joke. At least here you can have a laugh and share your experiences.
OVer there, if they aint a sponsor keep ur trap shut.
If you have a negative experience the fan boys come out and murder you.....
Newbies get treated like 3rd world citizens because they ask a question everyone has heard before.... admittidly a search would help them, but cant people be human??

What is the world coming to?

[VooDoo]

That's the problem with a sponsored forum. The dollar speaks louder and reality gets left behind in the wake...

There was some detailer dude awhile back that ripped a few people off on the forum and was a protected species for quite some time - eventually it got out that the guy was a fraud but in the meantime plenty got sucked in because they only allowed posts that blew wind up the guys arse...

Don't get me wrong - there's still plenty of good guys and plenty of good reading over there. But the fact it's so commercial is not a good thing...

Cheers,
Paul...


Paul, i was very involved with this (i lost $5500 remember) but look at it from the forums point of view as well. They had no actual proof of wrongdoing other than a few ppl complaining. In business you will ALWAYS upset someone regardles of how hard you try. Getting the facts was very hard as this person was hard to contact but had proven to know his stuff. Even some of his biggest supporters were backing him till the end (and got ripped). The Forum cannot get involved with taking sides and tried to stay out of it. The latest shitfight with the SA workshop is the same. Do you let ppl have their say and allow potencial lander to be published or delete it and hide it? There is no easy answer. The forum was dammed if they left it and dammed if they deleted it. This forum hasnt had that issue due to no sponsors but how could it have been handled better? Hindsight is always a great thing.

[WOMBIE]

I guess at the very least,i've got to know/meet some great people via ls1....for that i'm very lucky and grateful indeed.Wouldn't have know about this place otherwise :D

:cheers:

[smokiebbear]

My reference to me removing my account Stu was based on my own thoughts, feeling and beleifs....
Im sick of the shite over there...
Its a joke. At least here you can have a laugh and share your experiences.
OVer there, if they aint a sponsor keep ur trap shut.
If you have a negative experience the fan boys come out and murder you.....
Newbies get treated like 3rd world citizens because they ask a question everyone has heard before.... admittidly a search would help them, but cant people be human??

What is the world coming to?

I have noticed the same recently. If you post in a sponsors area and it's not agreed with by their fans you get hunted around the forums by them (the sponsors fan club) which is exactly what happened to Stu and a few others on there. So this is just another reason why i will be withdrawing my account from there in the next few weeks. I'd rather ask a question and get an honest answer here than start a shit slinging match for the same question over there.

[Delft Maloo]

i love ls1 thats how i met the trackchat crew way back in summer 07.
Thanks ls1, thankyou so much i am forever in your debt for guiding me to luke, alan, nick, dave, troy, mark and the rest of the members that are here past and present:thumbs:.

[FatBoy]

I remember something about you losing money Stu - i had no idea of the amount though...

You're right though - it's not an easy situation to sort out. I guess what i was getting at is the whole "sponsors" paying to be on the site takes away any balance that may have been there to start with ??

With the guy from SA, "Big Shaun" even made a comment how he knew the engine didn't have the Lunati gear that it was claimed to - i find it hard to believe the workshop selling it didn't know if Shaun did...

End of the day a bloke bought something in good faith from someone who was a "forum sponsor" and therefore (mistakenly perhaps ??) believed he was making a sound purchase. Unfortunately for him it doesn't seem to be the case...

Paul, i was very involved with this (i lost $5500 remember) but look at it from the forums point of view as well. They had no actual proof of wrongdoing other than a few ppl complaining. In business you will ALWAYS upset someone regardles of how hard you try. Getting the facts was very hard as this person was hard to contact but had proven to know his stuff. Even some of his biggest supporters were backing him till the end (and got ripped). The Forum cannot get involved with taking sides and tried to stay out of it. The latest shitfight with the SA workshop is the same. Do you let ppl have their say and allow potencial lander to be published or delete it and hide it? There is no easy answer. The forum was dammed if they left it and dammed if they deleted it. This forum hasnt had that issue due to no sponsors but how could it have been handled better? Hindsight is always a great thing.

[35R]

I remember something about you losing money Stu - i had no idea of the amount though...

You're right though - it's not an easy situation to sort out. I guess what i was getting at is the whole "sponsors" paying to be on the site takes away any balance that may have been there to start with ??

With the guy from SA, "Big Shaun" even made a comment how he knew the engine didn't have the Lunati gear that it was claimed to - i find it hard to believe the workshop selling it didn't know if Shaun did...

End of the day a bloke bought something in good faith from someone who was a "forum sponsor" and therefore (mistakenly perhaps ??) believed he was making a sound purchase. Unfortunately for him it doesn't seem to be the case...

Wasn t it detected after the thing was sold, that a cylinder 7 was down 60% compression? and the pistons were subsequently swapped / repaired or something. And i am not sure it was ever claimed it was a full Lunati assembly - just pistons only. Could be wrong though, it's just too hard to unravel that saga!

[DaveHAT]

Wasn t it detected after the thing was sold, that a cylinder 7 was down 60% compression? and the pistons were subsequently swapped / repaired or something. And i am not sure it was ever claimed it was a full Lunati assembly - just pistons only. Could be wrong though, it's just too hard to unravel that saga!

Saga ... hard to unravel.

We MUST be talking about LS1 ... all the pieces fit. :headbang:

[HSV271]

Interesting that they are keeping that thread open :hmmm:... Even LS1's Admin and a long time Mod has had an input into that thread.

It sounding a little like streetcommodores over there lately... :stick:

[Kyle]

i love ls1 thats how i met the trackchat crew way back in summer 07.
Thanks ls1, thankyou so much i am forever in your debt for guiding me to luke, alan, nick, dave, troy, mark and the rest of the members that are here past and present:thumbs:.

:toetap:


O hi timmy :D

[DaveHAT]

Guys ... really !!! :toetap:

Trying to understand what's going on with LS1 is like modifying a Camira.

Sure you could but why would you bother wasting the time and energy? :confused:

:hat:

[Muncha]

Guys ... really !!! :toetap:

Trying to understand what's going on with LS1 is like modifying a Camira.

Sure you could but why would you bother wasting the time and energy? :confused:

:hat:

That's not a bad idea, anyone got a Camira for sale? :driving:

[smokiebbear]

That's not a bad idea, anyone got a Camira for sale? :driving:

They are like bloody hens teeth those camira's. I'm trying to find one myself (to do up of course), if you manage to locate one please buy it, i will pay you double what it costs you.

cheers - matthew

[savvy]

With the guy from SA, "Big Shaun" even made a comment how he knew the engine didn't have the Lunati gear that it was claimed to - i find it hard to believe the workshop selling it didn't know if Shaun did...

End of the day a bloke bought something in good faith from someone who was a "forum sponsor" and therefore (mistakenly perhaps ??) believed he was making a sound purchase. Unfortunately for him it doesn't seem to be the case...

100% Agreed....

Wasn t it detected after the thing was sold, that a cylinder 7 was down 60% compression? and the pistons were subsequently swapped / repaired or something. And i am not sure it was ever claimed it was a full Lunati assembly - just pistons only. Could be wrong though, it's just too hard to unravel that saga!

Don't forget the block being sleeved.

I think he wants his money back as he has no faith in the seller, i want to know if there was an audiance when this engine was being pulled out?

[GMMAD]

They are like bloody hens teeth those camira's. I'm trying to find one myself (to do up of course), if you manage to locate one please buy it, i will pay you double what it costs you.

cheers - matthew

That's not a bad idea, anyone got a Camira for sale? :driving:
arent use in luck I just happen to have a JE camira for sale
complete with non glare paint
469000kms
and going strong

[GMMAD]

Guys ... really !!! :toetap:

Trying to understand what's going on with LS1 is like modifying a Camira.

Sure you could but why would you bother wasting the time and energy? :confused:

:hat:
:toetap: .......

[DaveHAT]

:toetap: .......

:lmao:

:sucks:

:D

[HSV271]

That's not a bad idea, anyone got a Camira for sale? :driving:

They are like bloody hens teeth those camira's. I'm trying to find one myself (to do up of course), if you manage to locate one please buy it, i will pay you double what it costs you.

cheers - matthew

arent use in luck I just happen to have a JE camira for sale
complete with non glare paint
469000kms
and going strong

LSx TT Camira.... :hmmm:

Z_6wJgjld8U

[Muncha]

LSx TT Camira.... :hmmm:

Z_6wJgjld8U

Was that a factory option? :burnout:

[GMMAD]

:lmao:

:sucks:

:D
:lol: :lol:

[Delft Maloo]

:toetap:


O hi timmy :D

:swear: i knew id forget someone from my first day, sorry kyle:cheers: .

[seldo]

....
With the guy from SA, "Big Shaun" even made a comment how he knew the engine didn't have the Lunati gear that it was claimed to - i find it hard to believe the workshop selling it didn't know if Shaun did...

End of the day a bloke bought something in good faith from someone who was a "forum sponsor" and therefore (mistakenly perhaps ??) believed he was making a sound purchase. Unfortunately for him it doesn't seem to be the case...

I actually believe that the seller was totally unaware of the reality of the engine's specs, and Big Shaun only knew because he saw the engine being built. I don't know that he associates with the Enhanced Auto guys to any degree, and may have just been sitting smugly on the info until now.
I only read the whole saga this morning, but it seems that it's now all sorted. The seller in S.A. - Enhanced Automotive, it seems didn't check what he bought S/H, used it , and then, in good faith, sold it on to Cody in QLD. His engine fitter decided to pull it apart before final installation since it was a bit down on comp on a couple of cylinders, and discovered a couple of burned ring-lands, no Lunati crank, no sleeved-block etc.
I'm sure that the seller was not aware of this, and after some consideration, has decided to refund the purchase in full, which of course was the correct course of action.

The interesting thing to me was that now that it is supposedly sorted for the buyer, what is the out-come for the seller?
As is always the case in these things, I'm sure plenty of mud will stick, even though I'm fairly sure that he sold in total ignorance of the problems/short-comings with the engine, and has now done the right thing and made a full refund. He obviously now has a case against the fellow he bought from, but due to the passing of time, plus being on-sold, I think he will end up copping the whole loss himself.
So, he bought sight-unseen in good faith, and sold on the same basis, but after copping several pages of abuse in the forum, will now accept all loss himself even though I genuinly don't think he was aware of any short-comings, and there is no doubt that many will still think he tried to pull a swifty. The fact that, as the thread sponsor, he has elected to leave it open and un-edited shows that he is fair-dinkum.
What's the lesson here? I think there is a serious and important one -
When sorting a business issue such as this, do it (a) swiftly. (b) in private. (c) be genuine (d) take the attitude of "What if the shoe was on the other foot" .
Anyway, I think he made the right call, allbeit, an expensive lesson for himself. :teach:

[savvy]

It should not have got to the public stage it ended up in, but it looks like Cody was communicating to him via Ph and email and wasn't getting the result, it took a slinging match on a forum to sort it out.

Had this been a private sale it may not have had such a happy ending.

If i buy something from the classifieds and am communicationg with the seller i take their word for what i am getting!

I would like to believe that forum members or sponsors would not rort fellow members, its way to much a small community as is it is a large community to let it fly under the radar and get away with it.

I think both parties have learned a huge lesson from this saga.

[boyley]

Funny you guys mention LS1 forum sponsors. The type that treat you like royalty until you hand cash over. Then when you are not happy for what ever reason dont answer emails or take calls. The ones that have heaps of good coverage on the forum but when it comes down to it theyre only in it for the money. Silly naive me eh?:headbang:

[boyley]

What's the lesson here? I think there is a serious and important one -
When sorting a business issue such as this, do it (a) swiftly. (b) in private. (c) be genuine (d) take the attitude of "What if the shoe was on the other foot" .
:teach:

Sound advice that

[DaveHAT]

Funny you guys mention LS1 forum sponsors. The type that treat you like royalty until you hand cash over. Then when you are not happy for what ever reason dont answer emails or take calls. The ones that have heaps of good coverage on the forum but when it comes down to it theyre only in it for the money. Silly naive me eh?:headbang:

Nicely put mate ... there's one MAJOR shining example of this that stands out head and shoulders above the rest of the LS1 forum sponsors.

:teach:

Unless of course you're one of the associated goons. :cool:

Not too hard to work who either. :hat:

[FatBoy]

Well fill us in Dave.... :cool:

Via PM will do so i can see if it's who i think it is... :lmao:

Cheers,
Paul...

[firebug]

Not too hard to work who either. :hat:

:confused:

[lautray]

:confused:

:lol: .

[choppo]

Nicely put mate ... there's one MAJOR shining example of this that stands out head and shoulders above the rest of the LS1 forum sponsors.

:teach:

Unless of course you're one of the associated goons. :cool:

Not too hard to work who either. :hat:

Can we run a TC poll on it? :hide:

[DaveHAT]

Can we run a TC poll on it? :hide:

Hmm ... interesting idea Choppo.

I think the results would be "interesting" !

:cool:

[seedyrom]

Yep ... I think its a classic.
Only that I don't know how to do a poll and i'd probably frig my attempt up i'd start one on LS1.com.au

The polls would need to be anonymous so you can vote freely without persecution

Poll 1 - Who is the best tuner?
- Delco
- Street Tuna
- Enhanced Automotives
- Sams
- Marrano's
- Castle Hill Exhausts
- Gentech
- GM Performance
- WA Performance
- BTA Motorsport
- CV Performance
- Russo
- Oztrack
- Tunehouse
- APS Service Centre
- G&D Performance
- Sureflo Exhausts
- Pro Auto
- Hi Torque
- Power Torque
- HPF
- Chevs
- Dicks TV Repairs and LS1 Tuning
- JezzaB
- Girch/SS346
- OLS108
- Macca 779
- Delft Calais
- vxleather
- Tre-Cool
- Other non listed


Now it wouldn't be done to find neccessarily numbers, because lets face it ... the vocals fans generally support a few workshops. I'd be interested in seeing whether any of the smaller guys/home tuners get a mention


Though comparing sponsors means it would be pulled in an instant.

maybe a poll that simply says:
Are you happy with your tune from a sponsor?
- Yes
- No
- Generally yes, but theres a few niggling problems that are annoying


or:
Who has tuned your car?
- Sponsor
- Non-sponsor


Dunno - But there are lots of interesting questions that could be posed ... though they'd breakdown into a sh!t fight in no time.

[NickS]

Unfortunately pretty much everyone thinks that their chosen workshop / tuner is THE BEST ... personally I think it's all load of shit.

:sleep:

[seedyrom]

I have had a thought in the back of my heaed for ages for a good thread/poll:

Who gives you the shits?


No need to justify your response ... just a chance to rip in to others unfairly :D :flip2:

[NickS]

Who gives you the shits?

TUNA ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said.

:yep:

[Muncha]

TUNA ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said.

:yep:


I agree.

:teach: :teach: :teach:

[VXGTS]

The whole tuner debarcle over there is so dumb. Here's why: why do most people join a forum? To talk to like minded people and offer/gain advice from those that have travelled down similar paths. Why does that mean it has to turn into a pissing contest with who has the biggest KNOB :nutbag:

Alot of people there just legitimately want to learn and 'cos of some peoples ego's it spoils the experience for people actually wanting advice.

I had a thread on here not long ago naming 2 tuners. Now i know Nick you took it down as it may have been taken the wrong way, and that was fine by me as i wanted advice as opposed to which tuner is 'better'. Ive never claimed a 'best' tuner. Ive tried 2 out and im DAMN happy with my current setup, and even happier with the level of expertise/service that ive received of late. Thats not to say my past experience was sour, it was far from it, its just i feel more comfortable with the current service. Neither is better in my opinion, but i was just felt at ease with one over the other.

As for LS1 carrying on... grow up as for most of us High School was done and dusted years ago, grow up and get along. We are all enthusiasts, act like it!

End rant ;)

Matt.

[Delft Maloo]

Happy to see myself on the list seedy:waving: but id be nothing with out the tutition of luke-ssute01.
im sure given a dyno to play with and enough time i and a few home tuners out there could bump our way close to the top, but when you do this job for a living it shouldnt be to hard to become skillfull at it if the motivation is there.

ssute01 would have to be my no.1 as with the personal help he has given me.
Russo
che
oztrack

there might be better but these guys have given me some help over the last year and a half.
cheers tim

[nirvana]

TUNA ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said.

:yep:

got to agree and those stupid emoticons he uses when he's explaining something gives me the :swear: :teach:

[savvy]

I have had a thought in the back of my heaed for ages for a good thread/poll:

Who gives you the shits?


No need to justify your response ... just a chance to rip in to others unfairly :D :flip2:

So who is your pick Seedy?

Mine would have to be the Holden Service Rep that can't help in posting Stealership threads and usually putting the fault on the stupid customer:rocket: :moon: :p

[boyley]

got to agree and those stupid emoticons he uses when he's explaining something gives me the :swear: :teach:

:cool: :lol:

[Delft Maloo]

TUNA ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said.

:yep:

definatly a vote for the shits here as well

[RIDE:42]

Yep ... I think its a classic.
Only that I don't know how to do a poll and i'd probably frig my attempt up i'd start one on LS1.com.au

The polls would need to be anonymous so you can vote freely without persecution

Poll 1 - Who is the best tuner?
- Delco
- Street Tuna
- Enhanced Automotives
- Sams
- Marrano's
- Castle Hill Exhausts
- Gentech
- GM Performance
- WA Performance
- BTA Motorsport
- CV Performance
- Russo
- Oztrack
- Tunehouse
- APS Service Centre
- G&D Performance
- Sureflo Exhausts
- Pro Auto
- Hi Torque
- Power Torque
- HPF
- Chevs
- Dicks TV Repairs and LS1 Tuning
- JezzaB
- Girch/SS346
- OLS108
- Macca 779
- Delft Calais
- vxleather
- Tre-Cool
- Other non listed


Now it wouldn't be done to find neccessarily numbers, because lets face it ... the vocals fans generally support a few workshops. I'd be interested in seeing whether any of the smaller guys/home tuners get a mention


Though comparing sponsors means it would be pulled in an instant.

maybe a poll that simply says:
Are you happy with your tune from a sponsor?
- Yes
- No
- Generally yes, but theres a few niggling problems that are annoying


or:
Who has tuned your car?
- Sponsor
- Non-sponsor


Dunno - But there are lots of interesting questions that could be posed ... though they'd breakdown into a sh!t fight in no time.
I see you have not listed Grant aka MNR-O
My ute has had 6 different tuners work on mine and 2 of the very hi-profile tuners were fucken shockers one in Sydney and one in Victoria :dance:

[Street Tuner]

TUNA ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said. :yep:

Good to hear it Nick...maybe if you had listened you might have got that bigger intercooler :)
Dont take it to heart mate. Thankfully you dont have to deal with me, we arent a 'back rub touchy feely' rather only interested in results, so we will call it quits :lol:

[NickS]

Good to hear it Nick...maybe if you had listened you might have got that bigger intercooler :)
Dont take it to heart mate. Thankfully you dont have to deal with me, we arent a 'back rub touchy feely' rather only interested in results, so we will call it quits :lol:

:confused:

(Hot-headed comments removed ... I'll end up dragging the BS onto TC, something which I really don't want to do)

I ran a 10.9 full weight on street tyres, I don't need a bigger intercooler. I don't know of any other 2 tonne car that has run a 10 with a 1.5 60' launch ... our results speak for themselves. Nothing "touchy feely" about it ...

:moon:

[boyley]

Good to hear it Nick...maybe if you had listened you might have got that bigger intercooler :)
Dont take it to heart mate. Thankfully you dont have to deal with me, we arent a 'back rub touchy feely' rather only interested in results, so we will call it quits :lol:

I'm confused because this is the email I received

---Quote (Originally by NickS)---
*TUNA* ... more than anyone I have ever come across, nuff said. :yep:
---End Quote---
Good to hear it Nick...maybe if you had listened you might have got that bigger
intercooler :)
Dont take it to heart mate. Thankfully you dont have to deal with me, and I dont have
to show you the door if you tried, so we will call it quits :lol:

[Delft Maloo]

tuna is a great salesman ill give him that and he does help progress the ls industry along for us, but gee i have never heard someone toot there own horn as much as anyone in my life. The gus gould of everything other than rugby leage, everything he says is the truth and right because it comes out of his mouth or typed on keyboard. All others opinions are experience are worthless compared to the word of the auto god.
Whats funny is what he says will varywith what ever he thinks will be the most profitable outcome for him, im sure if tuna could rip enough people off selling them SS Inductions gear he would, where there's $ to be had the expert is there pushing it if he thought of it or bagging it if someone else did.

I draw my own opinions on him not only from ls1 but from the other sources of media he chooses to spread his biased bullshit with.

Yours happily Tim

[WOMBIE]

Funny you guys mention LS1 forum sponsors. The type that treat you like royalty until you hand cash over. Then when you are not happy for what ever reason dont answer emails or take calls. The ones that have heaps of good coverage on the forum but when it comes down to it theyre only in it for the money. Silly naive me eh?:headbang:
I can't say i've had that happen to me infact,i've had a problem with my throttle body for a while now and have been given the option to swap it over.I will take the offer up before i go away because it's starting to give me the shits at idle as it sometimes stalls and the fact that my wife may need to drive the car now and again when we're away.

But getting back to ls1....i can read through the shit that is posted over there and deal with it appropriately by ignoring it.I try not to get too involved and understand WHY certain things happen but it just really pisses me off when it gets personal and they rip into people over nothing half the time and it becomes a pissing competion.To those (and i'm not worried about sponsors) who cause most of the shit over there and have tried to get the better of 'WOMBIE' via PM and who i am sure frequent this site as a guest,please realise that it's just a matter of time as things have a way of evening out ;)

Hell i'm not immune and would like to think that if i over step the mark that someone will tell me to pull my head in.If in fact that happens i hope it's a mate that tells me because if ya mates can't tell ya then who can right!I still like ls1 as i read up quite a fair bit mainly in the technical threads....very very good source of info imho and i'm sure most here would agree.

I didn't intentionally want to drag the same stuff over here and start a similar thing happening....if i did i apologize.At the time i just needed to get it off my chest.

:cheers:

[Street Tuner]

Maybe you guys shouldnt be so critical - i.e. NickS and his hotheaded comments. He jumped on board at the time, and went turbocharged 2 years ago (or close to) which is the only reason he has the 10 now :)
There are those that drive the scene with education new ideas and perception, and those that follow the rest. Surely you dont want to see the whole LS1 thing die under the weight of a CraneCams US mailorder catalog. Might as well go back and buy a HQ....and where would be the fun in that :cool:

And yes NickS I was quite offended when I heard you spent the money and time to fly down to the LS1 Drag Nationals and didnt even bother to come up and say hello. Gareth actually saw you, I wouldnt know you from a bar of soap. At least say hello to the host. Manners :(

[99gti]

The ultimate chip tuning thread has already been done (http://www.ozaudi.com/chip/chip%20shootout.swf)

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb56/DaveMack56/SmithsTuned.jpg

[savvy]

Red Rock Honey and Soy for me please.

[Delft Maloo]

martin i have all the respect in the world for your talents but its just the way you conduct yourself sometimes i dont agree on but thats my problem if i dont like it.
Personaly you could be a real nice bloke in the flesh but i havent spoken to you one to one so my judgement goes off what i read in print and on the net.

By the way gareth is a top bloke that i have met and id say he would be a massive asset to your team.

[firebug]

Might as well go back and buy a HQ....and where would be the fun in that :cool:


I've had 4 HQ's, and I'd buy another tomorrow... :werd:

[Bermudablue]

And yes NickS I was quite offended when I heard you spent the money and time to fly down to the LS1 Drag Nationals and didnt even bother to come up and say hello.I wouldnt know you from a bar of soap. At least say hello to the host. Manners :(

You say to Nick..."I wouldn't know you from a bar of soap"
Maybe Nick doesn't know you from a bar of soap either.

[DaveHAT]

Maybe you guys shouldnt be so critical - i.e. NickS and his hotheaded comments. He jumped on board at the time, and went turbocharged 2 years ago (or close to) which is the only reason he has the 10 now :)
There are those that drive the scene with education new ideas and perception, and those that follow the rest. Surely you dont want to see the whole LS1 thing die under the weight of a CraneCams US mailorder catalog. Might as well go back and buy a HQ....and where would be the fun in that :cool:

And yes NickS I was quite offended when I heard you spent the money and time to fly down to the LS1 Drag Nationals and didnt even bother to come up and say hello. Gareth actually saw you, I wouldnt know you from a bar of soap. At least say hello to the host. Manners :(

Fark me ... could you really be that conceited? :hat:

The only reason he has a ten is because of the turbo is it? :confused: You've gotta stop believing your own press.:teach:

I presume then that the big arsed 412 cui stroker that was built was all just window dressing to your wonderous magical turbo kit? :rolleyes:

As for the host ... wasn't Russell ... the owner of Heathcote raceway the host? :cool:

Some thinking music please maestro ... did it ever occur to you that just maybe Nick had absolutely no desire to say anything whatsoever to you let alone hello? I was there with him and talking to you was about as high on the list of things to do as cutting ones toenails. :teach:

Sorry if that dents the fame that you seem to so deeply treasure and you can consider that rude if you like ... but just maybe you're not as famous and desirable to speak to as you like to think. :cool:

[Street Tuner]

You say to Nick..."I wouldn't know you from a bar of soap" Maybe Nick doesn't know you from a bar of soap either.

Maybe, but re: this thread he has enough to say, and really for a grown man that purports to be a successful accountant, he should get some better interests than picking on me on a forum where he reckons I might not be looking :weirdo:
Sad sorta.... :eek:

[NickS]

Maybe, but re: this thread he has enough to say, and really for a grown man that purports to be a successful accountant, he should get some better interests than picking on me on a forum where he reckons I might not be looking :weirdo:
Sad sorta.... :eek:

A you frigging kidding me ... I know full well that you will be told whatever is written about you here, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I WROTE IT DUMBASS !!!

I have attempted in the past to make comment on your never ending self promotion and persistent bashing of other workshops products and efforts (does the phrase "rolling defect" ring a bell ... I would have thought that a grown man that purports to be a successful manufacturer would have better things to do, quite sad really) but it just gets deleted. Comment is passed here because none of the Founding Members are your sheep.

As for myself ... I generally don't purport to be anything. Having said that I'm quite proud of what I have achieved at the age of 30, more than most achieve in a lifetime. If you think that's "sorta sad" ... whatever. Fortunately I don't give a flying f*#k what you think.

:D

[Delft Maloo]

Dont worry Nick ill be your friend:wave: .

[NickS]

Dont worry Nick ill be your friend:wave: .

:lol: ... thanks Timmy, you're a champ.

:thumbs:

[MID02K]

:lol: ... thanks Timmy, you're a champ.

:thumbs:
Oh No!
The fan boys are back :p :hide: :flame: :stick:

[Delft Maloo]

Oh No!
The fan boys are back :p :hide: :flame: :stick:

aint no sheppards or sheep on this site unlike ls1:woohoo: .

[smokiebbear]

Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.

Then Micaiah answered, "I saw all Israel scattered on the hills like sheep without a shepherd, and the LORD said, 'These people have no master. Let each one go home in peace.'

A psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want

Yet for your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered

But he brought his people out like a flock; he led them like sheep through the desert

Then we your people, the sheep of your pasture, will praise you forever; from generation to generation we will recount your praise

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH :nana:

[DaveHAT]

Maybe, but re: this thread he has enough to say, and really for a grown man that purports to be a successful accountant, he should get some better interests than picking on me on a forum where he reckons I might not be looking :weirdo:
Sad sorta.... :eek:

You joined as a member of TrackChat some 8 months ago ... yes?

As far as I'm aware ... both members and non-members of the Emissions compliant website Trackchat ... are free to visit the site at any time they want. :teach:

What's stopping you from visiting? NOTHING !

Your decision not to visit is not of our doing so don't cry "Oh woe is me". :nopity:

You happily dump shit on people and try to discredit other workshops without batting an eyelid ... yet you dare to cry about being "picked on?" :confused:

Smarten up champion. :cool:

[MID02K]

aint no sheppards or sheep on this site unlike ls1:woohoo: .

:jk:
:doh: :doh: :doh:

[seldo]

OLD:hat: settles back with pop-corn and :beer: to :eyes:

[Delft Maloo]

:jk:
:doh: :doh: :doh:

i know you were joking:thumbs: :slap: i was just making a statment that unlike ls1, trackchat is run by sheppards with mindless sheep kissings their asses every waking minute.

[NickS]

i know you were joking:thumbs: :slap: i was just making a statment that unlike ls1, trackchat is run by sheppards with mindless sheep kissings their asses every waking minute.

TrackChat "is" run by shepherds ???

:confused:

I assume you meant isn't ? FWIW, I don't believe that LS1 is run by shepherds ... my issue isn't with the LS1 forum.

As a founding member I feel it's important for members to understand that the comments I / we post are not necessarily a reflection of the entire forum / Founding Members but of us as individuals.

[Delft Maloo]

TrackChat "is" run by shepherds ???

:confused:

I assume you meant isn't ? FWIW, I don't believe that LS1 is run by shepherds ... my issue isn't with the LS1 forum.

As a founding member I feel it's important for members to understand that the comments I / we post are not necessarily a reflection of the entire forum / Founding Members but of us as individuals.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

[MID02K]

TrackChat "is" run by shepherds ???

:confused:

I assume you meant isn't ? FWIW, I don't believe that LS1 is run by shepherds ... my issue isn't with the LS1 forum.

As a founding member I feel it's important for members to understand that the comments I / we post are not necessarily a reflection of the entire forum / Founding Members but of us as individuals.
I hear ya Nick, and like a big boy im more than responsible for what i post...
Like i am on LS1.

As previously mentioned by nearly everyone, this is our personal thoughts and feelings, not something endorsed or pushed upon us by the founding members...

[boyley]

TrackChat "is" run by shepherds ???

:confused:

I assume you meant isn't ? FWIW, I don't believe that LS1 is run by shepherds ... my issue isn't with the LS1 forum.

As a founding member I feel it's important for members to understand that the comments I / we post are not necessarily a reflection of the entire forum / Founding Members but of us as individuals.

:whip: :stick:

[NickS]

:whip: :stick:

Nothing wrong with that mate ... I was writing on behalf of those of US making comments. The various comments are not the views of the forum ... they are the views of each of US ... as individuals.

:yep:

Now lets work as a team and do things my way ... OK ???

[boyley]

Nothing wrong with that mate ... I was writing on behalf of those of US making comments. The various comments are not the views of the forum ... they are the views of each of US ... as individuals.

:yep:

Now lets work as a team and do things my way ... OK ???

:cry: no i wanna be a sheep

[Funky_Munky]

I see you have not listed Grant aka MNR-O
My ute has had 6 different tuners work on mine and 2 of the very hi-profile tuners were fucken shockers one in Sydney and one in Victoria :dance:

Thats the third time I have heard that a hi profile tuner from Sydney had done a really crappy job tuning a car. Jamo, any chance you can pm me who the tuner is so I know what to avoid when I get my tuned. If not, I understand.

Cheers.

[WOMBIE]

So did all these shit tunes end in tears with the Sydney sponsor/s or was there an amicable agreement between the two parties involved?I've not yet been unable to sort out a solution if indeed i have a problem and i'm talking about a few of the workshops :cool:

[seedyrom]

Thats the third time I have heard that a hi profile tuner from Sydney had done a really crappy job tuning a car. Jamo, any chance you can pm me who the tuner is so I know what to avoid when I get my tuned. If not, I understand.

Cheers.
:rofl:

Just go to any tuner.
They'll tell you about how shit all the other Sydney tuners are and how many they've had to re-tune

[Funky_Munky]

:rofl:

Just go to any tuner.
They'll tell you about how shit all the other Sydney tuners are and how many they've had to re-tune

Tell me about it. Thats one of the things that makes it so confusing. They all make such convincing arguements.

I guess at the end of the day, the results speak for themselves.

[35R]

:rofl:

Just go to any tuner.
They'll tell you about how shit all the other Sydney tuners are and how many they've had to re-tune

Not all of them are like that Seedy.

[35R]

Guys can I ask the whining about ls1 to stop. It's now 6 pages long ffs.

Don't get me wrong I think it's great to have an alternate conduit to air issues and have a bt of a whinge. Especially where there is some significant thing to discuss/resolve/shed some light on - but really I think the issues are mostly just a side effect of any large forum (especially those sponsored).

It just seems to be an ls1 bitch-fest without any real purpose otherwise.

If you feel that strongly about it, maybe you should take it up with the ls1 owner.

[MID02K]

edit: Dunc your too quick, this is a response to post 107

That's true Dunc, but unfortunately thats the way that people convey it...
It's a shame that we cant take results based opinions as someone will always try to discredit the workshop(s) involved.....
And im sure that there are a lot of "hacks" out there that wing it, its just we seem to hear more about their dodgeyness and less of the good reports by reuptable tuners.
When you do get a good tuner response, another team's fanboys usually try to :flame: them off :confused:

What is the world comming to :werd:

[SSUte01]

If you want it done properly IMO, do it yourself if it's possible. Generally we are always our own worst critic anyways.

People just love the glory (I think you guys call it an e-penis) and get all obsessed and involved with being "part of something", it is essentially cyberbullying (I cannot believe that term even exists it would be the most limp-wristed thing I have ever said, now that is truly sad) and people get their blinkers on and just jump on in. People by their very nature want/need to be part of a group, it's just that some groups are better than others, hey ;)

If you ever wonder about people's motives and agendas I will bet a nut that 99/100 that it is always selfish and centred on money, even religion seems to be based on coin it seems (now that is a big can of worms).

It is a shame that there isn't more generousity and people don't work together more often as the result is often better than that of slanderous competition. All (or pretty much all of it) politics be it automotive or whatever is based around money somehow.

Now how about some positive results, even better, how about some positive results without banging on about where they came from blah blah blah.

[choppo]

:beer: Sorry, but......Geez this is refreshing change... people can say what they want without cash getting in the way. Good or bad, its nice to see for me anyway...

[HSV-105]

I've been wanting to pop over here - problem is without sponsors I can't get nothing for nothing :p

Serious though fella's a great site and a refreshing place to visit.

As for LS1 you've just got to learn to take the good points and ignore the crap........I know it's hard and I've copped my fair share but shit happens.

Cheers Mark.

ps Apologies for the " Track Waffle " crack a while back.

[seedyrom]

Not all of them are like that Seedy.
True.
Now i've never been to Russo's, but I've had another Tuner recommend Russo's as being "just a great bunch of guys with nothing against anyone. They just love doing what they do, and having fun at the same time"

As I said. I haven't ever been to their shop (must be the only one in Sydney I haven't had dealings with at some point), but yeah - someone in opposition to them, recommended them.

Its a mad, mad, mad, mad world :nutbag:

[seedyrom]

ps Apologies for the " Track Waffle " crack a while back.
It was a good one though :lmao:

[HSV271]

Well something just happend again over @ LS1, a thread I was just reading just got deleted... luckly I printed it... makes a very interesting read. :lol:

[seedyrom]

Young Kiwi's?

I've got it open in another Internet window.

Not closing it till I search all his threads.

I'm assuming that it is Promoting Russo's and slamming C&V Performance

[HSV271]

:yep:... Mods & Sponsors rule.

[Delft Maloo]

Young Kiwi's?

I've got it open in another Internet window.

Not closing it till I search all his threads.

I'm assuming that it is Promoting Russo's and slamming C&V Performance

not exactly seedy, i read the original post last night and actually questioned justin about it today while i was holding him up on the phone:wave: . it was none of my buisness so i didnt reply but i did want to hear russo side of the story to see why they seem to be joining the list of kiwi's sydney burn list.

On the subject of workshop wars justin and i actually discussed this too and you know what? he had nothing but good things to say about my other friendly workshop CHE and the boys and how they do what they say and back it up with proof not just claims.

[35R]

not exactly seedy, i read the original post last night and actually questioned justin about it today while i was holding him up on the phone:wave: . it was none of my buisness so i didnt reply but i did want to hear russo side of the story to see why they seem to be joining the list of kiwi's sydney burn list.

On the subject of workshop wars justin and i actually discussed this too and you know what? he had nothing but good things to say about my other friendly workshop CHE and the boys and how they do what they say and back it up with proof not just claims.

You actually got through to juzzy today? Best i could do was later tonight - with screaming kids in the background. Same as me actually!

[Delft Maloo]

You actually got through to juzzy today? Best i could do was later tonight - with screaming kids in the background. Same as me actually!

sorry it was probably me on the phone with him:nana: for about 43minutes:yike: .

I never seem to have trouble getting hold of him and he recognises me every time, i actually sent him a pm on ls1 last night about my motor and also how i didnt call him today:lmao: .
Damn thats a busy place with out chris around, i bet he is praying for monday:thumbs: .

[veewhytu]

The ls1 demographic has changed a bit since i first joined, i guess thats to be expected as the cars get older though.

One of the issues with the forum based advertising in the performance industry is the groupie element and the mentality that if one shop is doing something well then everyone else isnt as good as them... they turn situations into a sandpit 'mines better than yours' or my 'dad will beat up your dad' childness. (Im not sure if 'childness' is a word but the thesaurus of bourbon tells me its all good)

The truth is the guys that own & operate these businesses have some relationship with many others in this industry, on & off forums and regularly speak on the phone, at the track and in daily life just like every other industry.

The little blue screen is about as far removed from real life as it gets.....but ive always been a sucker for some entertainment and a good yarn :driving:

[NickS]

I've been wanting to pop over here -

Good to have you aboard mate ... :cheers:

[seldo]

Good to have you aboard mate ... :cheers:
Too true. Welcome Mark :)

[Brockfan05]

Hate to say it but this discussion and what's happening over at ls1 has pretty much made my mind up what I'm going to do about my car options, which really is a damn shame. I love trackchat - always an entertaining read and also good because of the amount of track oriented content. But the ls1 world has truly begun to suck and I no longer want a part of it. I'm going back to the early girls - back to a relaxed and informative atmosphere where I can get really hands on with my car. I mean no slight to trackchat at all, but I will miss the potential opportunity of partaking of track action now as my early girl doesnt have a huge parts supply and I dont want to bend it on the track. My apologies if I have offended any ls1'ers on here, not my intent.

Cheers, Scott.

[NickS]

Hate to say it but this discussion and what's happening over at ls1 has pretty much made my mind up what I'm going to do about my car options, which really is a damn shame. I love trackchat - always an entertaining read and also good because of the amount of track oriented content. But the ls1 world has truly begun to suck and I no longer want a part of it. I'm going back to the early girls - back to a relaxed and informative atmosphere where I can get really hands on with my car. I mean no slight to trackchat at all, but I will miss the potential opportunity of partaking of track action now as my early girl doesnt have a huge parts supply and I dont want to bend it on the track. My apologies if I have offended any ls1'ers on here, not my intent.

Cheers, Scott.

No offence taken and no need to disappear ... but I have to ask, what's an "early girl" ?

:confused:

According to Wiki it's a tomato ... that would be easy to bend on the track I guess.

[seedyrom]

No offence taken and no need to disappear ... but I have to ask, what's an "early girl" ?

:confused:
http://www.trackchat.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=25479&postcount=3

[Brockfan05]

Spot on Seedy :D It's a VK I've been umming and ah'ing over for about 14 months or more now. I wont be disappearing from trackchat but I dont need ls1 and it's carry-on anymore. I didnt post much on there, but I did "lurk" quite a bit. In the end, I didnt know who to trust with my VE SS and my aspirations for it, so the SS stays stock and the VK gets the nod. And Nick, the ole VK's arent much more solid than a tomato :D

[Pulse Red]

Personally all I can add is I don't know why people let it get under their skin so much. Its just a forum and I don't really care what others think. I read alot of this stuff and think its childish but I wouldn't give it much thought. I just enjoy my car for what it is and considering I have met some of the best and most genuine people you could ever hope to meet (you know who you are :wave: ) through the LS1 forums /scene I really cant complain.

So in the end why worry about a few idiots and why let them ruin your hobby? Me > :confused:

[10sec_rx7]

not exactly seedy, i read the original post last night and actually questioned justin about it today while i was holding him up on the phone:wave: . it was none of my buisness so i didnt reply but i did want to hear russo side of the story to see why they seem to be joining the list of kiwi's sydney burn list.

On the subject of workshop wars justin and i actually discussed this too and you know what? he had nothing but good things to say about my other friendly workshop CHE and the boys and how they do what they say and back it up with proof not just claims.

i actually enjoy having a chat to the russo boys out at the track, they are a good bunch of guys :)

[Funky_Munky]

I've been wanting to pop over here - problem is without sponsors I can't get nothing for nothing :p

:lol:

Funny you say that... :hide: ;)

[mick]

i actually enjoy having a chat to the russo boys out at the track, they are a good bunch of guys :)

I have known the russo boys for a while and they have never said anything bad about anyone to me.They only have good things to say about everyone inc sams , c and v, che,oztrack or marranos.They love there cars and the whole raceing scene. I personally love the competition and if there was only one tuner in sydney it would be boreing.At the end of the day all the tuners have quick cars and many loyal customers.:)

[GMMAD]

Personally all I can add is I don't know why people let it get under their skin so much. Its just a forum and I don't really care what others think. I read alot of this stuff and think its childish but I wouldn't give it much thought. I just enjoy my car for what it is and considering I have met some of the best and most genuine people you could ever hope to meet (you know who you are :wave: ) through the LS1 forums /scene I really cant complain.

So in the end why worry about a few idiots and why let them ruin your hobby? Me > :confused:
thats the way I see it
after all its just a forum it doesn't effect your day to day life well not mine anyway

[seedyrom]

Form guide for Wombie ;)

As said earlier in this thread (http://www.trackchat.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=31231&postcount=27)

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=69268

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=81797

I have read the form on this one ;) and backed them previously :slap:

[seedyrom]

I'm not posting this in the thread over at LS1 because I really don't want to get too involved, but here's something interesting.

Those LS1's sure get better with age

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=44584

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=60838

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=88732

:toetap:

Its not my fight .... I just want the poor guy to get his money back.

[VooDoo]

Funny enough i bought a gearbox from SA that was supposed to be a fully built box with all the best gear. When it blew up after 5000k's we found it was a stocker. The owner refunded me in full as he "didnt know" and i sent it back.

The owner is one of the ppl in those threads.....

[Dan_]

I'm not posting this in the thread over at LS1 because I really don't want to get too involved, but here's something interesting.

Those LS1's sure get better with age

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=44584

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=60838

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=88732

:toetap:

Its not my fight .... I just want the poor guy to get his money back.

I dont understand whats up with that?

[BLK 1T]

Gotta say Im with Scott - probably spend more time on old holden dot com than any other forum at the moment.
Lucky this isnt LS1 or I would cop a slap for mentioning another forum.

Phil

[OLS108]

If you need to ask for your account to be removed, then your not doing it right. I had my account suspended for good a few months ago.

prob the best thing that ever happend to me, Now don't have to put up with QLD workshop fan boys who will make up shit about cars i never tuned and tell everyone their a dickhead cause they don't want a 248/248 cam with a 7000 stall:nuts:

[FatBoy]

Some fur flying at the moment over Cody's engine dramas...

You'd think the bloke running the show would just refund his money - hell, he's getting a pasting in public and at the end of the day he sold goods that weren't as described...

[seedyrom]

Boy Mark (HSV-105) had me going there for a while with a cheeky throw away line :)


Very well played

[smokiebbear]

hahahhaha yeah mark you had me goin to dammit :D

[FatBoy]

They pulled my posts in the KPM thread - and all i was doing was talking shit with Tuna... :rolleyes:

[NickS]

Boy Mark (HSV-105) had me going there for a while with a cheeky throw away line :)

Just because a Mod says it was a throw away line doesn't necessarily make it so ...

My post got deleted too, bloody ridiculous. How they can call anything "off topic" when 95% of the threads are full of shit.

:mad:

[smokiebbear]

Mine also, and i copped a warning for a ban:( And all i was doing was asking a question. Fair enough i was stirring the pot a bit, but someone needed to ask them the question!

For those that missed it here is my question ..... http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=101990

[jwilson]

Just because a Mod says it was a throw away line doesn't necessarily make it so ...



I'm very much hoping it was not a throw away line.

[BOMI]

I cant belive that you are all still bleatin on about this LSWah.mysandpitisnotbigenoughforyouandihaveabigger dickthenyou.au :rolleyes:


Troy

[2 cylinders shy]

I cant belive that you are all still bleatin on about this LSWah.mysandpitisnotbigenoughforyouandihaveabigger dickthenyou.au :rolleyes:


Troy

Mate, you link does not work :stick:

[exploder]

I cant belive that you are all still bleatin on about this LSWah.mysandpitisnotbigenoughforyouandihaveabigger dickthenyou.au :rolleyes:


Troy

Mate, you link does not work :stick:

Its cause there is a space in the URL :nana:

[HSV271]

I cant belive that you are all still bleatin on about this LSWah.mysandpitisnotbigenoughforyouandihaveabigger dickthenyou.au :rolleyes:


Troy

Mate, you link does not work :stick:

Its cause there is a space in the URL :nana:

And there is no www at the front so here ya go guys I fixed it up for you all.... www.LSWah.mysandpitisnotbigenoughforyouandihaveabi ggerdickthenyou.au :lmao:.... :hide: :confused: :hat:

[Duffman]

I don't see what all the fuss is about either, it's just a forum.

I hardly ever go over there anymore. Don't have the time to spend an hour going through the days posts and I certainly don't have the time to post there when you get banned for a week for a bit of humor. Post something sensible and wait 5 minutes for 5 people to tell you your wrong and that the world revolves around their arsehole :rolleyes:

It's not all bad though. Through LS1 I found some good local workshops, alot of good info, decent like-minded people and as has already been said, if you have a LS whatever related question the chances of someone there being able to answer it are pretty good. Through LS1 I also found Trackchat ;)

[CalaisRider]

Mine also, and i copped a warning for a ban:( And all i was doing was asking a question. Fair enough i was stirring the pot a bit, but someone needed to ask them the question!

For those that missed it here is my question ..... http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=101990


.

Wow thats one hell of a thread. I personally believe they are protected species, and have felt the sting on many ocasions both on the forum and off dealing with them personally... Some are touchy suckers too! :shock:

[WOMBIE]

It's not all bad though. Through LS1 I found some good local workshops, alot of good info, decent like-minded people and as has already been said, if you have a LS whatever related question the chances of someone there being able to answer it are pretty good. Through LS1 I also found Trackchat ;)
Agreed Tom :yep:


For those that missed it here is my question ..... http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=101990
Was it just me or did others find Paul's response amusing :lol:

[HSV-105]

Boy Mark (HSV-105) had me going there for a while with a cheeky throw away line :)


Very well played

There was meaning behind the post Seedy but let's just say that I got the result I wanted with the sponsor and there was no need to take it any further.

[Delft Maloo]

There was meaning behind the post Seedy but let's just say that I got the result I wanted with the sponsor and there was no need to take it any further.

its a shame that it has to come to this kind of pressure for matters to be righted.

Please fill us in anyway mark:yep: .

[Kyle]

This thread still going?

[35R]

This thread still going?

Actually, no Kyle. You've entered the matrix

If LS1 is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'LS1' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

http://karthik3685.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/neomatrix.jpg

LS1 is a system, Kyle. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, mechanics. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

[BOMI]

Thats funny as Dunc!!! :yep: :lmao:

I reckon if people have a prob with a bussiness then they should take it to the proper authorites!!


Sheesh...... :rolleyes::puke:


Troy :)

[boyley]

I had an issue with a sponsor now I dont use them. This fella from the facts presented has every right to be recompensed.

KPM in my opinion let this go to far. They may well have saved a couple of thousand dollars now but could potentially lose a lot more sales in the future.

If you throw enough mud.........................

[boyley]

I don't see what all the fuss is about either, it's just a forum.

I hardly ever go over there anymore. Don't have the time to spend an hour going through the days posts and I certainly don't have the time to post there when you get banned for a week for a bit of humor. Post something sensible and wait 5 minutes for 5 people to tell you your wrong and that the world revolves around their arsehole :rolleyes:

It's not all bad though. Through LS1 I found some good local workshops, alot of good info, decent like-minded people and as has already been said, if you have a LS whatever related question the chances of someone there being able to answer it are pretty good. Through LS1 I also found Trackchat ;)

LOL ban him for that week bit of humor:waving:

[FatBoy]

Was it just me or did others find Paul's response amusing :lol:

Nah, it's not just you mate. I crack myself up too... :thumbs:

[Cogswapper]

Actually, no Kyle. You've entered the matrix

If LS1 is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'LS1' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

http://karthik3685.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/neomatrix.jpg

LS1 is a system, Kyle. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, mechanics. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

Gold!!!:lmao:

[jwilson]

So I've found that ls1.com.au is best viewed from a distance.

But to my amazement, I see prominent members being suspended; BigJim, Vulture, smokiebbear, etc.

That place truly has become LS1984.

[NickS]

So I've found that ls1.com.au is best viewed from a distance.

But to my amazement, I see prominent members being suspended; BigJim, Vulture, smokiebbear, etc.

That place truly has become LS1984.

I must have friends in high places ... I put a post up backing up Simon (Vulture) and Jim and my post was removed with no suspension !!!

:lol:

[WOMBIE]

I must have friends in high places ... I put a post up backing up Simon (Vulture) and Jim and my post was removed with no suspension !!!

:lol:

They're scared mate....word is you can kill people twice before they hit the ground :lol: :lol:

[seedyrom]

quite an amazing turn of events that one.

Especially considering that there is still a thief/liar (subject to refunding of money) acting as a sponsor.


Its sad that a doctor gets suspended for writing a fair comment. What are they hoping the membership to become? 18 year old, immature, dole bludging idiots?


Suspending Simon like that really rubbed me the wrong way too

[99gti]

Chuck Norris should sign up. He'd ban them before they could ban him!

[SSUte01]

Chuck Norris should sign up. He'd ban them before they could ban him!
:lmao:

He wouldn't even need to join up to do that and besides Chuck Norris doesn't get banned, a ban gets Chuck Norris-ed.

And Seedy, all I can say re membership, you reap what you sow. ;)

[Muncha]

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x308/Muncha81/dzTL3dk8T2nI.jpg

[smokiebbear]

So I've found that ls1.com.au is best viewed from a distance.

But to my amazement, I see prominent members being suspended; BigJim, Vulture, smokiebbear, etc.

That place truly has become LS1984.

I did find it quite silly the boys got banned, and i still do find it quite silly. I have heard of a few that as nickS has said "posted up afterwards" and did not also recieve a ban. :nutbag: :hmmm:

Anyhow it appears my post was left as a warning not to disobey Chuck Norris. Contrary to popular belief, ls1.xxx.xx is not a democracy, it is a HRT Stroketatorship.

[savvy]

quite an amazing turn of events that one.

Especially considering that there is still a thief/liar (subject to refunding of money) acting as a sponsor.


Its sad that a doctor gets suspended for writing a fair comment. What are they hoping the membership to become? 18 year old, immature, dole bludging idiots?


Suspending Simon like that really rubbed me the wrong way too

And Cody has effectively been silenced when he needs public support the most as it appears he is getting stuffed around! Maybe they need another "what to do if your ripped off by a forum sponsor" (KPM Exhaust) style thread in the Tar Pit, it really does seem that a sponsor is protected against bad feedback when members rally behind one another.

I still don't know why Cody has the engine and he is offering Brad an airline ticket to fly to him and inspect it.

[smokiebbear]

And Cody has effectively been silenced when he needs public support the most as it appears he is getting stuffed around! Maybe they need another "what to do if your ripped off by a forum sponsor" (KPM Exhaust) style thread in the Tar Pit, it really does seem that a sponsor is protected against bad feedback when members rally behind one another.

I still don't know why Cody has the engine and he is offering Brad an airline ticket to fly to him and inspect it.

There is more going on behind the scenes that is known on the forum. As has been said many times before on the forum you only get a glimpse of what is actually happening in the edited forum world. pm's and msn etc is where the real knowledge is at. I don't think it will be too long before we see a resolution to what is happening with Brad and Cody. :hide: :up2sum:

Ooooh the KPM thread still gives me headaches, i nearly copped a ban over that one also:(

[OLS108]

Ive been banned more times then i can count.

But being away from the forum has its good sides and bad sides.

bad side is having Markone2 ( local forum hero ) accuse me of dobbing his car into QLD transport, and not being able to defend myself.
Lucky for me i have mates ( Zorak SS ) etc who stick up for me. But i guess the Illness is getting to him.

LS1.com.au LOL, good times.

[35R]

Ive been banned more times then i can count.

But being away from the forum has its good sides and bad sides.

bad side is having Markone2 ( local forum hero ) accuse me of dobbing his car into QLD transport, and not being able to defend myself.
Lucky for me i have mates ( Zorak SS ) etc who stick up for me. But i guess the Illness is getting to him.

LS1.com.au LOL, good times.

So.. why dobbed M12 in i wonder?!

[OLS108]

So.. why dobbed M12 in i wonder?!

i assume you mean who ?

check out M12's posts on there. I have never had a problem with Mark in the past. in fact check most of my posts, Mark had helped me out a few times etc.. But his biggest problem is that unless you do it his way ie BIG CAM and tuned at Power torque then your an idiot who doesn't know that they are doing and your car is shit and slow. unless you post a time slip after every post then your an idiot... People will go on and on and congratulate Mark on his 1.4xx 60' footers and this and that.. But at the end of the day, what has he done ? brought a new car walked into Power Torque and handed over his credit card. IMO that doesn't give him the right to pay out on anyone in QLD who didn't get their car tuned at Power Torque.
So as i have said, i didn't have a problem with any of this cause i didn't really care, until Markone2 decided that his boring life of driving to power torque and drinking beer all day wasn't enough and he decided to start the bullshit rumor that i had fucked someones tune by putting an auto tune into a manual:lmao: best part of this markone2 illusion was the fact that it was a stroked Ute. this is where my beef with him started as I have Never tuned a Black Ute , nor have i tuned anything with more then 364ci as its not really a thing i am ready to tune. but as i said it didn't stop Markone2 making up his bullshit.. so doesn't really answer the question of who dobbed him in, But i don't know, but i would hope people who know me, know me well enough to know thats not my go. Put simply i don't care enough to bother to dob him in, the fact that he had NO DOUBT had me fingered for the job doesn't worry me ( obvious cause he banned me from V8 owners even though i hadnt posted in months not that anyone else does ), its the fact that the Big skirt didn't have the NUTS to say it too my face one on one on Saturday he shut his mouth and sat in his car yet he gets back on LS1 and wont post a thing about it. that is fucken gutless IMO.

So did i dob him ? NO
Do i care that someone dobbed him ? No couldn't give a shit,:soap:


RANT ..... OVER

[35R]

whoa there, slow down. sorry, i didnt mean you did it! I didnt even really realise you were accused. But, given the whole played out saga, i wouldnt mind knowing who it was. What i mean by that is, i would like to know.. about as much as i would like to know who wins big brother, or where to Pope might be tomorrow, or if Ledger gets an Oscar.. you know, a mild whimsical curiosity, observed from afar, via a telescope preferrably!

[OLS108]

whoa there, slow down. sorry, i didnt mean you did it! I didnt even really realise you were accused. But, given the whole played out saga, i wouldnt mind knowing who it was. What i mean by that is, i would like to know.. about as much as i would like to know who wins big brother, or where to Pope might be tomorrow, or if Ledger gets an Oscar.. you know, a mild whimsical curiosity, observed from afar, via a telescope preferrably!

nah i knew what ya meant.. I just needed to get that off my chest, i normally only last 10mins on Ls1 with a new account before i get removed lol.

[FatBoy]

So I've found that ls1.com.au is best viewed from a distance.

But to my amazement, I see prominent members being suspended; BigJim, Vulture, smokiebbear, etc.

That place truly has become LS1984.

I'm obviously not up to speed with Days of Our Lives (aka LS1.com.au) - Why did Vulture and BigJim get banned ?

I'd have thought both come across as decent blokes who add a lot of positives to LS1.com.au

Considering the place is fast running out of positives i'm surprised they were removed ?

[Desertws6]

I have seen a number of real threads turning to crap after a few keyboard hoons get involved.

As to the KPM Exhaust thread, I would suspect more than we will ever know. Perhaps things have changed from Car Enthusiasts to Business Enthusiasts. I truly hope for this bloke that his exhaust issue is resolved soon.
The bad engine that was sold and purchased. :puke: That was truly disgusting, that never should have happened. Saw it happen here just recently in a local shop with a mate (Paul) that is a master engine builder. His good mate bought a racing engine that was suppose to be really good. First thing, took the valve covers off. The rocker geometry was all wrong plus a shopping list of things, $3,000 later is was fixed. It's a good thing the engine had never been fired. Paul saved the day and the engine! :dance:

I'll still go, there are some top blokes on there. Simply put on the blinders and pass by the crap.
We can't control others, just ourselves with our actions & words. We also can control who we do business with. Crooks in business are everywhere, we can use that site to our advantage. Keep watching the crooks have a tendency to reveal themselves. :eyes:

My 2c worth.

Cheers,
Steve :cheers:

[VTSII Clubby]

Ive been banned more times then i can count.

I think thats because your known to be a sh1t stirrer dave.:stick: :waving:

[DaveHAT]

i assume you mean who ?

check out M12's posts on there. I have never had a problem with Mark in the past. in fact check most of my posts, Mark had helped me out a few times etc.. But his biggest problem is that unless you do it his way ie BIG CAM and tuned at Power torque then your an idiot who doesn't know that they are doing and your car is shit and slow. unless you post a time slip after every post then your an idiot... People will go on and on and congratulate Mark on his 1.4xx 60' footers and this and that.. But at the end of the day, what has he done ? brought a new car walked into Power Torque and handed over his credit card. IMO that doesn't give him the right to pay out on anyone in QLD who didn't get their car tuned at Power Torque.
So as i have said, i didn't have a problem with any of this cause i didn't really care, until Markone2 decided that his boring life of driving to power torque and drinking beer all day wasn't enough and he decided to start the bullshit rumor that i had fucked someones tune by putting an auto tune into a manual:lmao: best part of this markone2 illusion was the fact that it was a stroked Ute. this is where my beef with him started as I have Never tuned a Black Ute , nor have i tuned anything with more then 364ci as its not really a thing i am ready to tune. but as i said it didn't stop Markone2 making up his bullshit.. so doesn't really answer the question of who dobbed him in, But i don't know, but i would hope people who know me, know me well enough to know thats not my go. Put simply i don't care enough to bother to dob him in, the fact that he had NO DOUBT had me fingered for the job doesn't worry me ( obvious cause he banned me from V8 owners even though i hadnt posted in months not that anyone else does ), its the fact that the Big skirt didn't have the NUTS to say it too my face one on one on Saturday he shut his mouth and sat in his car yet he gets back on LS1 and wont post a thing about it. that is fucken gutless IMO.

So did i dob him ? NO
Do i care that someone dobbed him ? No couldn't give a shit,:soap:


RANT ..... OVER

Interesting Dave ...

I think anyone who's been paying attention has figured out who's being fingered by M12. Interesting to see the behind the scenes politics played out in public. Unfortunate but ... interesting.

From an outsiders point of view ... the emergence of opposing workshops/persons willing to perform work themselves in Qld has certainly had and interesting effect on the "status quo" in Qld to say the least. :hat:

I presume also that Ole mate DaDemon is implicated somehow as well? Having been to the NATS this year ... the guy did himself no favours with the T-Shirt he chose to wear as a "joke" and the ban he copped sorta explains itself.

I note you mention something called V8Owners ... what is this? :confused:

I think I've seen it mentioned somewhere before but ... not certain, :p

[smokiebbear]

Interesting Dave ...

I note you mention something called V8Owners ... what is this? :confused:

I think I've seen it mentioned somewhere before but ... not certain, :p

V8Owners is a forum where m12 is a moderator

[BOMI]

What did said shirt say Dave?

Troy :)

[smokiebbear]

What did said shirt say Dave?

Troy :)

Something about Belz i believe:shock:

[DaveHAT]

Something about Belz i believe:shock:

:yep: ... something very stupid and highly inappropriate to be exact.

EDIT: Thanks for the tip on V8Owners Matt ... I'll have to look into it. :hide:

[saj]

I still think DaDemon's thread on dolphin porn was the funniest thing i,ve ever read over there. It's a pitty the mods dont have a sense of humor.

[DaveHAT]

Just re-reading some posts in this thread and had to have a chuckle to the ole self ... :lol:

LS1 a democracy ... :lmao: ... never was and never will be.

The "truth" about what really goes on in LS1 land found in MSN, PM and mIRC ... :lol: Oh hell yes.

You'd have to honestly wonder why anyone would want to join these days ... when you consider how scripted things have become over there. I mean you may as well type in this web address these days ... www.ls1TONEBO.shit.boring :cool:

Is it just me that thinks that ... if I have to read one more friggen thread about a turbo install declaring that "this kit is the shit and so much better than a horses left nut when flung off a hot shovel" ... :headbang: they are going to go mad?

Has it not been done to death yet? :confused:

LS1 moto ... never let the truth get in the way of a good story. :moon:

You've gotta feel for the moderators though ... whilst everyone is prepared to bag them for what they do, you need to ask yourself the following ... Would I REALLY want to try and moderate/police a site that is like LS1 is and contains the sort of prominent people that it does? :confused:

I reckon the question would pretty much answer itself ... Not bloody likely. :cool:

Besides TC is much cooler ... at least here you MIGHT get a hat if you play your cards right. :lmao:

[fatas]

very good post mr hat :thumbs:

i would like to known as HOIST HAT please :lol:

[DaveHAT]

very good post mr hat :thumbs:

i would like to known as HOIST HAT please :lol:

It seems the HAT-nazi is feeling generous this week ... don't stuff it up ! :D

PS: To quote Bartholemew Simpson ... I didn't do it. :waving:

[seldo]

Unfortunately, once LS1 got a bit of publicity in the press over something - maybe VE release - (I really forget what) it had an influx of young kids who have basically stuffed it. There's very little meangful stuff there any more and most of the worthwhile technical contributors just don't go there any more.
As for the suggestion that M12 is blaming OLS for the dobbing incident - I've not seen that come from Mark's mouth/key-board, although some others who claim to be OLS's supporters have thrown Dave's name into the accusations by way of denial. Sadly, as you know - mud sticks.
I understand that Mark is obtaining the incident-report from Queensland Transport so will come out and name and shame the culprit once he has the hard proof, and anyone wrongly accused will obviously be cleared.
It's a real mongrel act by whoever dobbed on him.

[aussie372]

.
I understand that Mark is obtaining the incident-report from Queensland Transport so will come out and name and shame the culprit once he has the hard proof, and anyone wrongly accused will obviously be cleared.
It's a real mongrel act by whoever dobbed on him.

Can anyone shed some light on as to what he was dobbed in for . Lately i just lurk over on the other site . And as for this V8owners site last time i checked i was permanently banned for unsanitary mouth problems ..
cheers mark

[OLS108]

Unfortunately, once LS1 got a bit of publicity in the press over something - maybe VE release - (I really forget what) it had an influx of young kids who have basically stuffed it. There's very little meangful stuff there any more and most of the worthwhile technical contributors just don't go there any more.
As for the suggestion that M12 is blaming OLS for the dobbing incident - I've not seen that come from Mark's mouth/key-board, although some others who claim to be OLS's supporters have thrown Dave's name into the accusations by way of denial. Sadly, as you know - mud sticks.
I understand that Mark is obtaining the incident-report from Queensland Transport so will come out and name and shame the culprit once he has the hard proof, and anyone wrongly accused will obviously be cleared.
It's a real mongrel act by whoever dobbed on him.

Dave come on Mate, while he never said my name its clear by the fact he responded that he would be talking to the offenders at tha drag day indeed pointed out the fact he was talking about either myself or dadem0n ( or both ) as soon as jez got involved markone was quick to point out the fact that he need not say a name now it was so obvious?? because Jez and myself are mates that once again pointed out the fact mark was talking about myself.

Seems as though mark has less friends in QLD then he does from states where people have never met him... hmm wonder why

[Delft Maloo]

while the days of our lives episodes are funny, this thread is growing a bit long.
We all know what goes on in ls1 land and all the bullshit it reaps of but can we keep this place free of ls1 rubbish for awhile?
I come here to get away from their shit.

As posted by somone else befor can we close this thread and keep this place politics free?

[HSV-105]

while the days of our lives episodes are funny, this thread is growing a bit long.
We all know what goes on in ls1 land and all the bullshit it reaps of but can we keep this place free of ls1 rubbish for awhile?
I come here to get away from their shit.

As posted by somone else befor can we close this thread and keep this place politics free?

Tend to agree with you there mate.

Come across here for something refreshing - not the same crap spewed up again.

Enjoy what you've made here fella's - it's a credit to you all.

Cheers Mark

[Delft Maloo]

i wondered where you had gone. Hows that gto/supercar going. hopefully this EC 6hr takes off and you come up so i can drool on your car:drool: ill even bring a cloth to clean it up.

[Black VESSV]

Besides TC is much cooler ... at least here you MIGHT get a hat if you play your cards right. :lmao:

Mr hat - TC is much cooler by a long long way :dance: but I have no Hat:hat: I have resisted but now I ask - can i have a hat of some sort please???

[VooDoo]

A blacktop HAT?

[Black VESSV]

A blacktop HAT?

That will do - i'm easy:nutbag:

[JezzaB]

Always good times at LS1:lmao: ahh good fun.

Pity the way its gone now but oh well. Still a few good diamonds amongst the rough here and there.

Too busy actually sitting on a dyno tuning turbo, blown, cammed and bolt on cars to listen to some 18yo'd tell me what they heard from their brothers mates friend whos dad once had a tuner that did this or that so that means THEY know all about it.

Always good for a laugh though

Jez

[FatBoy]

Besides TC is much cooler ... at least here you MIGHT get a hat if you play your cards right. :lmao:

Well i'd like to be "Fat Hat" but that hasn't happened yet.... :hide:

As for moderating on LS1 Dave, i do it on www.performanceforums.com and it's a job that is truly thankless. Fortunately we don't have sponsors so we don't have to spend time kissing ass and removing posts that don't reflect nicely on those who fill our coffers... ;)

Cheers,
Paul...

[drewbytes]

I'm thinking myself about not visiting the other forum any longer. I'm over it all after 5 years as a member.

[boyley]

I'm thinking myself about not visiting the other forum any longer. I'm over it all after 5 years as a member.

Drew I have been a member for 4 odd years myself and it really has gone to the crapper. I spend most of my time just reading the techo stuff and the for sale classies.

When I want an intelligent discussion this is where i come.

[Bermudablue]

at least here you MIGHT get a hat if you play your cards right. :lmao:

Or trolleyJACK member :wave:

[OLS108]

Sorry for digging up this thread anyway, i just wanted a chance to have my say. the LS1 forum is full of VE owners with No idea, and sponsors and sponsor minions with more hidden agendas then a pedophile at a wiggles concert.
i was a member there since 2004 and i really couldnt give two shits, the whole forum has gone to the dogs.
after all there is more to cars then 400m in a stright line.

[boyley]

Sorry for digging up this thread anyway, i just wanted a chance to have my say. the LS1 forum is full of VE owners with No idea, and sponsors and sponsor minions with more hidden agendas then a pedophile at a wiggles concert.
i was a member there since 2004 and i really couldnt give two shits, the whole forum has gone to the dogs.
after all there is more to cars then 400m in a stright line.

I was reading a thread today with your name mentioned a few times. Did you quit the forums?

[OLS108]

I was reading a thread today with your name mentioned a few times. Did you quit the forums?

nope. i was removed, after Dadem0n wa banned for his t-shirt at the nats, i started a thread asking why he was banned when it wasnt anything to do with ls1.com.au

thread lasted 2mins and i got a perm ban.

[boyley]

nope. i was removed, after Dadem0n wa banned for his t-shirt at the nats, i started a thread asking why he was banned when it wasnt anything to do with ls1.com.au

thread lasted 2mins and i got a perm ban.

Nice one..........its almost as though the forums gone politically correct all of a sudden. There seems to be the odd sociallist getting away with blue murder but any liberal ideas and you get banned.:slap:

[OLS108]

Nice one..........its almost as though the forums gone politically correct all of a sudden. There seems to be the odd sociallist getting away with blue murder but any liberal ideas and you get banned.:slap:

yeah so it seems, i am not saying i was a saint. but compared to what others get away with ** sponsors etc ** i was well behaved.
its not such a big deal the forum is full of keyboard warriors and posers.

[VooDoo]

I'm thinking myself about not visiting the other forum any longer. I'm over it all after 5 years as a member.

Now you know why i asked for my account to be removed. i WAS addicted to the place and spent WAY to much time on there and just couldn't let things go. Im a lot happier here now and rarely even have a look over there. (i still keep an eye on the classifieds though :) )

[Desertws6]

after all there is more to cars then 400m in a straight line.

+1 Agreed

Excellent statement, very well said!!

Cheers,
Steve :cheers:

[seldo]

Dave come on Mate, while he never said my name its clear by the fact he responded that he would be talking to the offenders at tha drag day indeed pointed out the fact he was talking about either myself or dadem0n ( or both ) as soon as jez got involved markone was quick to point out the fact that he need not say a name now it was so obvious?? because Jez and myself are mates that once again pointed out the fact mark was talking about myself.

Seems as though mark has less friends in QLD then he does from states where people have never met him... hmm wonder why
I don't and won't continue to legitimise the particular situation by posting further on it, but felt it was only fair to post as I did in the name of balanced comment.

[Bermudablue]

When there's 30 000 members here.Which could very well happen a few years down the track.
There will be a lot of shit to sort through for the mods.
The more members the wider the argument.
I'm glad i am no one that just likes the odd drag day,cruise or get together.
Do you know what i mean?

[belz-v8]

Interesting read this one. I totally forgot about TrackChat for a while. It is a shame you guys do not pop over to the other side more often.. And yes it has more sh!t moments then good ones lately, unfortunately..

[VooDoo]

Belz, we all really enjoyed "the other side" for a long time and many of its members but these days its just not worth the hassle to visit or contribute. Im mates with quite a few admins (even sidey) and members but there is no easy way to fix the issues so its easier to just leave. It choice wasnt made lightly.

[FatBoy]

It's like when a nightclub gets a reputation for being really good - it starts to attract d!ckheads and soon becomes a shit magnet. Unfortunately the other mob (LS1) have become victims of their own success.

Plenty of great people there, so many wankers with agendas and cross eyed loyalty to their favourite workshop to ruin the feel of the place...

I still read it, but rarely post.

Even here i don't post that often but enjoy reading. Let's keep this place focussed on what makes it good and let the other mob stay there for entertainment value huh ? :cheers:

Cheers,
Paul...

[235rwkw]

i see nick made a comment in the thread about threads getting deleted on different views of a subject.

strange rule you can post lots of crap like me, but then others get picked on.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=102965

don't piss off a mod seems to be the thing or your stepped on.

oh its been deleted now heres nicks comments i agree with

Meh ... very little logic on here ATM, I thought Rob's thread was fine, who deems what topics are allowed to be discussed and which ones aren't ??? (I know, I know ... Mods)

Threads with pics bordering on porn are OK (have a look through the motivational poster thread) ... Uncle Tone's threads are OK ... hundreds of other random pointless threads are OK.



I suspect had the question been asked by anyone else it would still be there. Having said that I'm certain this post will be deleted as "off topic" ... so I'm not sure why I'm bothering.

heres the first post by rob

This is a public forum, I don't see why I can't post a thread trying to find the roots of all the hoon bullshit. I know the general topic is overplayed but I keep seeing other threads popping up that you're allowing through, that and my thread is discussing a completely different angle of the hoon tripe.

Why keep deleting it? It serves no purpose.

Once again, people should be able to post what they want, not what you want.

Let me post my thread.

i thought any crap was allowed in the 'tar pit'

[NickS]

i thought any crap was allowed in the 'tar pit'

That was my point ... there is so much random useless crap, Rob asked a legitimate question ... "where did the word HOON come from" ???

I can't see any reason to delete that and leave everything else other than a mod thinking "I don't like him".

:rolleyes:

So anyway ... who knows where the word HOON originated ? I'm interested in the answer.

[235rwkw]

ah that was his question, i missed that

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoon

to travel at a high velocity, preferably in a car. was one answer here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoon
The term "Hoon" was first used in Australia at the turn of the 20th century where it referred to a man living off immoral earnings [1] (i.e. a pimp). The origin of its current usage is currently unknown but is widely believed to be a shortened form of "hooligan" [2]. In more recent times it has been used to describe any young male or female who drives in a manner which is anti-social towards the standards of modern day society. Generally, a hoon is any person who drives any vehicle dangerously and/or fast.

a slang word that is now legislation, great...

[belz-v8]

I cannot say alot but I will say I certainly do not agree with a lot of the decisions made over there, and normally I make it a point to say so too :) and it often does not go down very well at all... Hey Ryzz (I know you will read this) :lol: :p

[OLS108]

I cannot say alot but I will say I certainly do not agree with a lot of the decisions made over there, and normally I make it a point to say so too :) and it often does not go down very well at all... Hey Ryzz (I know you will read this) :lol: :p

thats ok, when there is no one left but Markone2 and his Little minions still fighting with Tuna about NA or GenTT then i am sure Ryzz will be in his element.

[WOMBIE]

WOW 11 pages and 219 odd posts so far...who'd have thought it.I have since moved on from when i first started this thread but i haven't closed my eyes as to what goes on over there,i just don't comment 90% of the time but hey it's all good.

I can read between the lines and cut through the shit but what i will not tolerate or except are personal attacks on individuals.But hey Stewps is a big (largish from all accounts) boy as are we all and as such can make our own decisions as to what we say and/or do.I've been a member for i think 4 years and i distinctly made an effort in not saying much at all,if at all,in the first few months that i viewed the forum so as i could ascertain who was worthy of my imput and later trust and who was not.

I have not posted for i while in this thread because i did not want to be seen bringing negative thoughts from over the fence to this GREAT forum that is TC.As for you know where i've plodded forward and tried to contribute as best i can and forge bonds with those whom i trust and respect.To the lads that nominated me for validation i thanked you not because i thought at last i'm in the boys club but because you placed your trust in me and i earned the respect that goes with that.You would not believe how hard it has been for me up to that private day to be able to open up and interact with people outside of my comfort zone...but that's another story!

I truly believe that this thread should remain open for all discussion as that is what forums are all about.Even though shit happens on ls1,as i'm sure it does else where,i got to meet a member last night at wsid and that was a win for me,as i got to know a really great person and was able to support him on the night.

And that is what it's all about IMHO

Cheers,
Darren

[Delft Maloo]

WOW 11 pages and 219 odd posts so far...who'd have thought it.I have since moved on from when i first started this thread but i haven't closed my eyes as to what goes on over there,i just don't comment 90% of the time but hey it's all good.

I can read between the lines and cut through the shit but what i will not tolerate or except are personal attacks on individuals.But hey Stewps is a big (largish from all accounts) boy as are we all and as such can make our own decisions as to what we say and/or do.I've been a member for i think 4 years and i distinctly made an effort in not saying much at all,if at all,in the first few months that i viewed the forum so as i could ascertain who was worthy of my imput and later trust and who was not.

I have not posted for i while in this thread because i did not want to be seen bringing negative thoughts from over the fence to this GREAT forum that is TC.As for you know where i've plodded forward and tried to contribute as best i can and forge bonds with those whom i trust and respect.To the lads that nominated me for validation i thanked you not because i thought at last i'm in the boys club but because you placed your trust in me and i earned the respect that goes with that.You would not believe how hard it has been for me up to that private day to be able to open up and interact with people outside of my comfort zone...but that's another story!

I truly believe that this thread should remain open for all discussion as that is what forums are all about.Even though shit happens on ls1,as i'm sure it does else where,i got to meet a member last night at wsid and that was a win for me,as i got to know a really great person and was able to support him on the night.

And that is what it's all about IMHO

Cheers,
Darren

Darren ill be ya friend too if you like but if you cross me:mgun: ill hunt you down on ls1 and make you look like platypus:lol: :jk: .
cheers tim

[NickS]

i earned the respect that goes with that.You would not believe how hard it has been for me up to that private day to be able to open up and interact with people outside of my comfort zone...but that's another story!

Not sure why mate ... you're without a doubt one of the more genuine blokes I have met through forum life.

If the world had more people like you it would be a better place !!!

:cheers:

[DaveHAT]

Darren ill be ya friend too if you like but if you cross me:mgun: ill hunt you down on ls1 and make you look like platypus:lol: :jk: .
cheers tim

Cool ... then me and all me "goon" mates will just open up a can of cyberthugged whoopass on your ass for daring to speak out of line ... then we'll threaten you with attending a bookclub meeting for punishment.

:p

I think you've done a good thing in opening this thread Dazzler. Not because I have a desire to rubbish what goes on at LS1 but because it's interesting to read different individuals take on the whole debacle.

The key being not to take it all too seriously. Accept that some people get off on their "LS1 fame" :rolleyes: and giggle your arse off. :lmao:

:cheers:

[FatBoy]

I'm famous for having nice breasts...

Wait... what ?

:shock:

[seldo]

Not sure why mate ... you're without a doubt one of the more genuine blokes I have met through forum life.

If the world had more people like you it would be a better place !!!

:cheers:Too true Nick - there aren't many of us left......;)

[NickS]

Too true Nick - there aren't many of us left......;)

Don't worry Seldo ... I'd throw you in the same boat as Wombie (although you seem to be a little more self assured ... :lol:)

:cheers:

Actually ... maybe I should chuck Wombie in your boat ... :confused:

[fatas]

boat mmm fishing :gotpics:

[Duffman]

Don't worry Seldo ... I'd throw you in the same boat as Wombie (although you seem to be a little more self assured ... :lol:)

:cheers:

Actually ... maybe I should chuck Wombie in your boat ... :confused:

boat mmm fishing :gotpics:

I didn't realise Trackchat was full of seamen :yike: Ba dum pshhh!

Any respect I may have earned here just went straight out the e-window with that one :doh:

Daz, your one of the most genuine and unbiased blokes on these forums. Hell, you even managed to congratulate UT :shock:

[boyley]

I didn't realise Trackchat was full of seamen :yike: Ba dum pshhh!

Any respect I may have earned here just went straight out the e-window with that one :doh:

Daz, your one of the most genuine and unbiased blokes on these forums. Hell, you even managed to congratulate UT :shock:

Just beware the Barrel

[WOMBIE]

Darren ill be ya friend too if you like but if you cross me ill hunt you down on ls1 and make you look like platypus:lol: :jk: .
cheers tim
:lol: Thanks Timbo....i think :confused:

Not sure why mate ... you're without a doubt one of the more genuine blokes I have met through forum life.

If the world had more people like you it would be a better place !!!

Nick thanks mate that means alot and without pissing in any one's pocket,it's people like you,Dave and others that help pitch in organising events,that make days at wsid what it is...not to mention the running of this forum and such things like the up coming lunch that Troy has got happening.It makes it so much more pleasurable that even my better half enjoys reading here now and again.

And not only that the Possum enjoyed her day at the track with you guys as well...a bit of eye candy as she put it...don't know who she was referring to though :lol:



I think you've done a good thing in opening this thread Dazzler. Not because I have a desire to rubbish what goes on at LS1 but because it's interesting to read different individuals take on the whole debacle.

The key being not to take it all too seriously. Accept that some people get off on their "LS1 fame" :rolleyes: and giggle your arse off. :lmao:

Yeah i suppose your right there Dave,it does interest me also what others here have to say about some of the drama that goes on over there,and i must admit that i do have a laugh at certain comments people throw up.There are some great characters in both forums.

I'm famous for having nice breasts...

Wait... what ?

:shock:

Please tell me that's not you in that avatar :confused:


Daz, your one of the most genuine and unbiased blokes on these forums. Hell, you even managed to congratulate UT :shock:
Haha thanks Tom,your one of the funniest with that pic being your claim to fame over the fence.Even though i think Tone is a hardcore shit stirrer with a face like a smacked arse (no offence Tone) i meant what i said and still do.He's one of the more harmless one's,for lack of a better term,who just enjoys a bit of fishing.


Cheers Everyone

[NickS]

Please tell me that's not you in that avatar :confused:

If Paul had man-boobs like that he wouldn't need a better half !!!

:hide:

[HSV-105]

I didn't realise Trackchat was full of seamen :yike: Ba dum pshhh!

Any respect I may have earned here just went straight out the e-window with that one :doh:

Daz, your one of the most genuine and unbiased blokes on these forums. Hell, you even managed to congratulate UT :shock:

Smartarse - just came over here and your having a crack at my name already :rolleyes:

[NickS]

Smartarse - just came over here and your having a crack at my name already :rolleyes:

:lol: ... I read for the post 3 times looking for the "Mark" joke.

:hide:

[Duffman]

Smartarse - just came over here and your having a crack at my name already :rolleyes:

Huh? :confused:

Unless your middle name is seamen... perhaps I missed the joke :doh:

[Dan_]

They deleated one of my threads of the black SSV that belonged to a forum member saying it was advertising but left all my others up and the ones from simon and dream machines up. I dont mind if they want to take that stance but be consistant IMO

[seldo]

Huh? :confused:

Unless your middle name is seamen... perhaps I missed the joke :doh:It's a bit obscure I think. Maybe a wishful reference to semen....? :eyes:

[BlooHAT]

The best thing I've done is stay away from the place, and off forums in general. Its kept me out of dreaming up different ideas every 5 minutes ;)

I do get sick of every mod having to be a turbo, not very v8 for me, maybe I'm stuck in my ways to much...

LS1turbotone.com.au I'm sure will carry on as per usual.

Dan

[HSV-105]

Huh? :confused:

Unless your middle name is seamen... perhaps I missed the joke :doh:

Me last name is pretty close to it.

Before the wise cracks start I've heard them all before.....ha.ha

[boyley]

Me last name is pretty close to it.

Before the wise cracks start I've heard them all before.....ha.ha

What made you think it was directed at you, you are seeming to be a little paranoid:waving:

[NickS]

What made you think it was directed at you, you are seeming to be a little paranoid:waving:

Psst ... he was having a bit of a laugh.

:D

[BOMI]

What made you think it was directed at you, you are seeming to be a little paranoid:waving:

Psst ... he was having a bit of a laugh.

:D

+1


Troy :)

[HSV-105]

What made you think it was directed at you, you are seeming to be a little paranoid:waving:

Lighten up Tiger I thought this was the good side. :driving:

[boyley]

Psst ... he was having a bit of a laugh.

:D

Yeah I guessed that one Nick, hence the play on words "seeming":jk:

[Duffman]

Lighten up Tiger I thought this was the good side. :driving:

Cum on now, theres no need for you to eject a bad attitude towards a seemingly light hearted joke...


:jk: :lol:



Surely you knew all these jokes were cumming

[boyley]

Cum on now, theres no need for you to eject a bad attitude towards a seemingly light hearted joke...


:jk: :lol:



Surely you knew all these jokes were cumming

He's doing just swimmingly

[FatBoy]

If Paul had man-boobs like that he wouldn't need a better half !!!

That's true. I had to have a reduction done as you kept coming around to visit... :slap:


:D

[HSV-105]

He's doing just swimmingly

Funny Fella's - I'll blow you away time after time :flip2:

Then we'll go racing :burnout:

[boyley]

Funny Fella's - I'll blow you away time after time :flip2:

Then we'll go racing :burnout:

All good fun mate, and I know you'd defo hose me:dance:

[BOMI]

RIGHT, thats enough outa you all.

This thread is a waste of time and data.

Im locking this crap up!!!


I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.




































Right...now where did I put my LSwahhh.com.au MOD application form.....?



































This thread will unlock in 60 mins :D

[NickS]

Im locking this crap up!!!


I HAVE THE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Lock Smchlock ... what are you gunna do, ban me ?

:lol: :stick: