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GTS Listy

26-05-2010, 06:49 PM

This got me thinking.... would keeping 30ltrs be a fuel surge protection thing?? does the LPG suck liquid from the tank or gas???

If it is, you will have to get busy with making a 'surge tank' for LPG. Now THAT would be an exercise! LOL

Not sure but it only changes over way early when racing. On the street it used around 60 to 65 per tank before changing over to petrol so it is definitially related to giving it a bunch of acceleration.

Also the battery cable goes from the boot into the back seat area and through the sill of the drivers door (like stero wires area) then in the firewall and to the old spot of the original positivewires. It is a tad longer than the normal undercar way but not too much. There is none under the car at all.

GTS Listy

15-06-2010, 12:44 PM

Tiny update

The battery cable will now be replaced with thicker stuff so that should sort the starting issue
I am ridding the intake pods and getting the 8TB trumpets cut at the end to get a K and N filter on each intake. A tray will be made with one below each filter so there will be 8 small trays with brackets coming off the valve cover mounts. Should make it pretty easy to mount up and access things below the trays. I will use the existing front tray to get air in.
For some bling it will be wrapped in CF sheet or dipped with a CF look stuff. Depends on cost.
Also I got hold of Chris at Gforce so the CF tailshsaft will be ordered in about a month or so. No rush at the moment.

GTS Listy

06-07-2010, 08:44 PM

Well after one week being sicker than I dare even talk about I am back in action. Never ever got food poisning by off orange juise. I lost 10kg in 7days. Not good but back again now. I was so sick I did not even got to trackchat for a couple of days.

Good news I get the GTS back thursday finially with all those bugs sorted and the new filters and tray installed. The scoop wont be finished for about one week as it is being done as a on the side sposorship job so all afterhours.

THe only thing missing is the tailshaft upgrade as I got hold of chris then I request a paypal to make the payment and nothing for about a week so no paypal request and no order. Once he gets back to me I will get that on the road. Hopefully it is sorted soon.

Photos on Thursday once I get moving properly.

ghz28

06-07-2010, 08:57 PM

There has to be something good out of it Tony, 10kg weight loss, that has to be a tenth or two right there. :)

Glad to see you getting back on your feet though.....

gh

seldo

06-07-2010, 10:20 PM

There has to be something good out of it Tony, 10kg weight loss, that has to be a tenth or two right there. :)

Glad to see you getting back on your feet though.....

ghOnly another 300kg to come off the car and it will start to percolate... :)

GTS Listy

11-07-2010, 10:09 PM

Slowlyu but surely pretty well back to normal be it lighter by about 14kg by the end. I will try and keep it off but see what happens. I have not been this light since I was 23 yo.

The intake tray is a bit rough but it is a start to get a good mould done from.

One thing the intake noise is atleast twice as loud as it used to be. Like nothing I have heard before and near as noisy as the exhaust once you give it some stick. I have two bonnets being modified and painted over the coming month or so. One is the scoop that will face backwards to get some more air in there and the other is to suit the 8 trumpets sticking out. Always wanted to do that for sme fun and will be show use only naturally. I have a good little agreement with a painter and panelbeater so very cheap otherwise it would be stupid and waste of money.

Tailshaft is sorted now too so looking forward to getting that

GTS Listy

12-07-2010, 09:06 PM

A few photos of the half done intake tray. I will use this to get a fibro mound done up and tidy it all up.

Little LPG problem started today as the float seems to be stuck on full and I can not fill it up. I was told to get a mallet and give the tank a bash and it should work. If not it will have to come out.
Paying $1.69 petrol is not fun but will have to do until the LPG is sorted

I am still adjusting to the noise but getting used to it. It sure reves fast now. Video coming later.

The new battery cables are done too mut it did not help much. Still stuggles to start. Also the alternator finially played up while testing and seems to be the issue of all the voltage flucations. That will be replaced next week.

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GTS Listy

12-07-2010, 10:35 PM

Little vid with a few reves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fK-Q-RiHQ

GTS Listy

26-07-2010, 11:39 AM

I spent about 7 or so hours making these up on the weekend. PITA to make and get it to sit right and flush with the bonnet but I got there in the end. Not something I want to do again.

The carbon fiber place will make them up over the coming week or two. It is a beers job so no rush. There is bits that get cut when the mold is ready to go. The cut outs are for the strut brace and the cut out at the bottom is oil lines and the oil filter. It is a dam tight fit too.
The heat protection that is on the car now will stick to the bottom of the new trays so I then have the pretty look with the good heat tray under it. The new trays line up with the existing harrop intake tray. The gap that is there on the engine now is all gone with the new trays

The bonnet is being cut up and scoop fitted over the coming week. Again beers and a bit of sponsorship thrown in. I pay for materials only.

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I know a bit of overkill but to get the stuff to sit right and and not flex when the mold dries I needed the support.

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Rattler

26-07-2010, 12:31 PM

Forgive for my ignorance Listy, but what am I looking at above???? :confused:

GTS Listy

26-07-2010, 02:56 PM

Forgive for my ignorance Listy, but what am I looking at above???? :confused:

Ok I see.
Have a look at the silver trays underneath the 8 x K and N filters in the pic a few posts up. They were made as a idea to get what I need to make some new trays up for air flow instead of the pods that sat on each side of the 8TB

The blue molds above are the molds to allow the carbon fibre trays to be made. The CF sticks to the outside so what you see on the blue versions will be opposite to what the end result will look like.
Hope that make sense

GTS Listy

04-08-2010, 11:51 AM

Finally I have a new tailshaft. Getting fitted next Tuesday so hopefully no dramas with that. Very light at only 7kg for the shaft and both unis at each end. They are flash bits of kit though and rated at way over what power I will ever make.

Also the new intake trays will be made of fibro now and then the carbon fibre mold will be made from that. Apparently the corners are too tight and some more molding is required and it is easier to do with a fibro mold. Not too much trouble and it will be a better finish too.
I should have the fibro done by Friday so i can test fit to get it all done properly.

We have a practice on Sunday at Hidden valley and I think the straight is still 80km/h but could be wrong. If 80km/h straight I might wind the wing up a few notches to bang some extra down force in there.
I will have the data gear all connected too to see what is going on with the engine now that I have the alternator and voltage spike issue resolved.

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lautray

05-08-2010, 01:50 AM

Listy, what length is the tailshaft? Same as standard vx?

GTS Listy

05-08-2010, 09:20 AM

Listy, what length is the tailshaft? Same as standard vx?

I have been told it is and will fit fine. The thread of the CF Gforce tailshaft group buy they went through all this measuring and it is the same.

I will confirm by Tuesday and i dont believe anyone that have had these fitted have run into issues.
Only thing I am not sure about is the tailshaft loop so that may have to be ground off. It is a BMR loop so hopefully they design these for the single piece shafts like BMR supply

choppo

05-08-2010, 07:12 PM

Hey Tony, can you weigh the original vs new? What is the net weight difference?

GTS Listy

05-08-2010, 07:17 PM

Hey Tony, can you weigh the original vs new? What is the net weight difference?

Will do and will post up.

The acutal CF tailshaft is about 3-4kg and the unis are about 3 in total so the shaft is damn light

GTS Listy

07-08-2010, 10:31 PM

I fitted up the new trays last night.
Very good fit and take easy to remove if needed, I also welded thestrut brace bolts to make it easier to get access to thing if I need the remove the trays

Pretty near and just about spot on with bonnet clearance to the trays. Very happy with the molds I made up

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lautray

07-08-2010, 11:23 PM

That looks the goods!

GTS Listy

08-08-2010, 06:25 PM

Cheers for that.

It was a short day as there was only practice. Engine oil came out the dipstick but I guess this was due to the dipstick being relocated. Now the trays are done I will put it back facing upwards instead to the side. I hope that is what the issue is anyway.

I looked at the oil pressure data and there is no issues there. The lowest it got was 48psi and the highest was 72. The lows 48psi was only for a split second too. The max Gforce reading for the day was 1.35 in one of the sweepers and reves were about 4000 at that point. The oil pressure was about 55 psi at that point. It seems the cheap intake oil tray insert seems to do the job at hidden valley anyway.
THe new intake filters seem to give a bit more get up and on top of that is was a nice day today. Even with the 40km/h entry speed restruction on the straight I end up getting 214km/h by the end and I braked early as too. Normally I manage 218 to 220 of a full speed lap.

Over all a tad dispointed the oil from the dipstick as I wanted to do more laps but it will be fixed on tuesday with the tailshaft install.

Cheers

seldo

09-08-2010, 06:07 PM

seldo

09-08-2010, 06:07 PM

GTS Listy

09-08-2010, 06:36 PM

oil out the dipstick is also very typical if you are getting crankcase pressurisation. I don't suppose you've accidently crimped a hose or blocked the PCV?

That is a possibility actully as the only difference is the covers and they are a tight fit. Nothing else has changed. It is in the shop tommorrow getting the tailshaft fitted so I will get him to have a look. Bit lazy I know but once every now and then no harm

GTS Listy

12-08-2010, 08:50 PM

The tailshaft was all fitted up and tad short by about 2 inches, Still goes on and seems ok and enough on there to do the job but not ideal. I am on the hunt to see what can be done. It is on there now. Fair few minor changes needed to get it all to fit but nothing major,

I will go into the details in the Gforce CF tailshaft thread.
Summery basically the sedan tailshaft is definitially longer than the monaro.

GTS Listy

13-08-2010, 02:21 PM

Got me new rubber today for street duties, now the Avalanche has the fat KBRs on. With the avalanche I though the legals would be an issue having 10 inch at the back but as the coupe 4 had 9 inch rears ironically that allows 10 inch. So 10 inch wide wheels at the back are totally fine. Strange but true. Same awd system and under car stuff, same engine etc.

The tyres are 255/35/19 and 285/30/19. Amazingly I ordered the tyres Tuesday lunch from Tempe tyres and they arrived at 10.00 today. Not even 3 days.
Both sets are dated 2010. Awesome service and fast as hell freight.
Big tick from me. Price was awesome at $1020 delivered.

Just waiting on the wheels now. They are 19x8.5 front with +36 offset and 19x9.5 back with +38 offset. Naturally BMW wheels. One sweet offset. I would guess that would allow 9.5 rims under the back of a VT to VZ sedan with only a guard roll. Maybe even fit 285s under there. We will see. I am going to test fit the wheels on a mates VZ to check if they will fit.

GTS Listy

13-08-2010, 08:59 PM

The dyno run is all done. Made 271rwkw on the only dyno I trust and have always used since starting the modify this car. Not much good really but such is life. Still dont know where that 50rwkw went and how on earth APS got that much out of this I have no idea.
It is making peak power at 4800 rpm and just flat line after that up until 6800. I dont know what to make of that honestly. AFR are all good and all the LM2 data is about as smooth as it gets with timing etc. The tune is good and really there is nothing more than a new cam shaft will change anything.
This is the power from the car while at APS. See post 289. Thing is the power is about the same up until 4800-5000 but APS got it to keep climbing at a huge rate where with all other dynos including chevs in the same town and and same day they only managed 266 or so. How in the earth did they do that yet on chevs and all the ones up here 4800 upwards it is basically flat line

I know it is dyno and tuning tool but still how did they manage such big power yet totally un repeatale on any other dyno. Theirs is a mainline too.

http://www.trackchat.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=2524&page=15
As for the tailshaft we did a couple of runs up to near top speed and zero vibriation all the way up there. I think 5th gear at 6000 rpm it was (est 250km/h). Not a power run obviously.

I will have a video soon of the dyno run. The printer was not working so no sheet from today.

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The line at the top is the torque
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GTS Listy

13-08-2010, 09:20 PM

IN SHORT> where has my power gone or did APS manage to trick a mainline for results. I doubt that as it would be stupid for such a reptable business.

It has been proven a few times with other cars that APS and Chevs dyno are within a few rwkw of each other. Ls1 has a few examples.

Maybe mine was different. I could only dream of the pace this thing would have if I had a genuine 320 rwkw like I paid for. Extra 50rwkw is no laughing matter considering I paid for a 320rwkw engine

I would like some thoughs please. The LPG has zero to do with this the issue is where has the power gone from the differnt dyno sheets.

New engine is not practicale at the moment but I want the best from this until I change it

One thing for a car that weight just shy of 2 tonne and only 271 rwkw and only 4 seconds off the very top IP cars that is not that bad. Add 100 rwkw and take out 300 kg the dam thing would be a friggen hidden valley weapon

ova400

13-08-2010, 10:25 PM

choppo

14-08-2010, 09:32 AM

seldo

14-08-2010, 11:59 AM

I feel ya pain Tony.....

Just thinking... was your 'previous tune' done with the air pods on? As soon as i tried any type of filter on my 8tb it lost HEAPS. Not sure how much as i didn't pursue it (chucked them in the bin), but at a guess it would be an easy 80rwhp Very good point Choppo. One reason V8SC cars use a big sealed cold-air box is for this very reason. Any sort of impediment at the mouth of the ram-tube severely spoils the air-flow into the ram-tube and tears-up heaps of killer-wasps, especially at the top end. I'd reckon there's your problem Listy. :yep:

GTS Listy

14-08-2010, 12:32 PM

Very good point Choppo. One reason V8SC cars use a big sealed cold-air box is for this very reason. Any sort of impediment at the mouth of the ram-tube severely spoils the air-flow into the ram-tube and tears-up heaps of killer-wasps, especially at the top end. I'd reckon there's your problem Listy. :yep:

Wow never knew that. I though having that good filtration and stacks of filter area would be a good thing. Not so. I might take it back next week and try with no filters on and see what happens.
Very interesting and thanks for the feedback and ideas. Atleast if it produces more power then I have proof and can do something with that. It would take a bit of work to get a seal but the trays are done so just some extra bits here and there it would get a ok seal. Matter of putting a filter in there somewhere, For street use just use the 8 filters to get real good filtration.

Choppo this is the first dyno run with the pods off and the new 8 filters on. It made 290 on another dyno with the pods.

Here is the dyno runs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvJI2BYi9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMiknyqF3Q

GTS Listy

14-08-2010, 12:57 PM

Have you done a leak down check and compression check??

Does the LPG have a pressure gauge, is the heat affecting it??

Is the intake opening fully??

there just some guesses I'm giving you, but I don't think you will just find something and get that sort of power back, the fact you say it dies off after 5000rpm to me says its not getting enough fuel or air once its up there, so I would be having a close look at the intake manifold, if it is easy even putting the standard one back on just to eliminate that as the problem. Otherwise it would be the cam, but it would never have made the power otherwise so I doubt it would be the problem.

Hope you find what the issue is though

According to Harrop the 8 TB only opens to 80 % on the TP data. It does that too. I checked with APS on that and yes theirs results were with 80% open from the throttle opening.

It would be interesting to see what would happen changing the intake over but just not practicable as there would be too much involved with tuning etc.

I will try it with the filters off and take if from there. I can easily get another bigger cam in as the dollar is excellent at the moment but then the tuning issue all over again.

In real life the thing laps at good pace so it is doing its job where it counts.

choppo

14-08-2010, 01:55 PM

Very good point Choppo. One reason V8SC cars use a big sealed cold-air box is for this very reason. Any sort of impediment at the mouth of the ram-tube severely spoils the air-flow into the ram-tube and tears-up heaps of killer-wasps, especially at the top end. I'd reckon there's your problem Listy. :yep:

As i dont mind the odd trip into the outfield, i was looking for filters (previously ran nothing which aint good).

Bought some 'supa dupa slip over the trumpet, hi-flow blah blah' filters and wacked them on one day on the chassis dyno. Didn't get over 3000rpm and the thing choked itself to death :headbang: In the bin 5min after fitting. That's why i ended up with the big ugly (but very effective) air box thing i made up - as Seldo says, there is no local restriction at the tb's. Huge filter at front, large volume behind is what the engine sucks from.

At the time i could have 'de-tuned' the engine to cope with the loss of airflow - this is what im suggesting maybe the loss you are seeing.

BTW - you should try ot find some tech articles on the theory behind the design of the 'ram tube' (i had a book years ago with it all in it). Great reading if your interested - the length, proportions and even the curl of the outter edge. Might give you some added background.

seldo

14-08-2010, 04:13 PM

As i dont mind the odd trip into the outfield, i was looking for filters (previously ran nothing which aint good).

Bought some 'supa dupa slip over the trumpet, hi-flow blah blah' filters and wacked them on one day on the chassis dyno. Didn't get over 3000rpm and the thing choked itself to death :headbang: In the bin 5min after fitting. That's why i ended up with the big ugly (but very effective) air box thing i made up - as Seldo says, there is no local restriction at the tb's. Huge filter at front, large volume behind is what the engine sucks from.

At the time i could have 'de-tuned' the engine to cope with the loss of airflow - this is what im suggesting maybe the loss you are seeing.

BTW - you should try ot find some tech articles on the theory behind the design of the 'ram tube' (i had a book years ago with it all in it). Great reading if your interested - the length, proportions and even the curl of the outter edge. Might give you some added background.
One of the world's best authorities on this is David Vizard. He's written a heap of books on it - all very readable and well illustrated - A couple that come to mind are : "How to Build Horsepower : Carburettors and intake manifolds". " Tuning the A series engine - The Definitive Manual for Tuning for Performance and economy". If you want to learn some basic "must-do" proven techniques, this is the man to follow.
Vizard's written about 15 or more books and whilst he's Pom, I think he's now Hot Rod Magazine's resident engine guru.

GTS Listy

14-08-2010, 08:19 PM

choppo

14-08-2010, 08:35 PM

I will take the car for a spin tommorrow with the filters in and out and see the difference. I have my 0 to 100 meter so that normally is a good way. I can normally get it to within 2 tenths each launch. Tad easier with semi slicks over street tyres. It is a nice quiet road no no rubbish in the air for a 1 minute shot

Won't work Listy. Actually could be real bad for it i.e. lean it out and BANG:(

Need to get it tuned 'as you will run it'. Then log it on track, then adjust a bit, then re-log, etc

#1, you have to get the intake set up and keep it there. Good or bad, you have to keep it static. Only at that point you get a tune to match.

BTW - where is your air intake temp sensor located at the moment? This is also a big problem trying to tune 8tb without a plenum to average temps

GTS Listy

16-08-2010, 09:05 AM

Won't work Listy. Actually could be real bad for it i.e. lean it out and BANG:(

Need to get it tuned 'as you will run it'. Then log it on track, then adjust a bit, then re-log, etc

#1, you have to get the intake set up and keep it there. Good or bad, you have to keep it static. Only at that point you get a tune to match.

BTW - where is your air intake temp sensor located at the moment? This is also a big problem trying to tune 8tb without a plenum to average temps

That is fine. I did some work on the tray yesterday and it seems to have a pretty good seal.
I will leave it as is until I can get the tray spot on and get the tuning done with no filters in there.
Cheers for the advise. Good thing

GTS Listy

26-08-2010, 01:41 PM

Well I realised I have a wideband afr meter (drrrr) so I am going to do a few runs around without the filters to see how the logs go. it displays live via the LM2 so if it starts to get above the 13-14 mark obviously needs a tune before venturing further.

The new wheels and tyres fit just sweet on the back so some nice fat 285 sitting out the back now. Still deciding on the fronts. Just dont know what to get. I want a good road/race tyre but not a full semislick and in 19 inch. The toyo R888 are too semislick as that would be pretty good.
Ideas from people would be good!!!.

Big change in wheel type hey. Same as the race wheels so now the car is in race mode look all the time. :bravo: :bravo:

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The race wheels on the left are 265 wide.

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+36 offset for 9.5 inch rims at the back of VT to VZ is just perfect with inside clearance. No scrubbing even though it is a little lowered. I ahve the guards pumped but would not be required if you had a guard roll and did not have it slammed. Properly 265/275 tyres though. These 285 measure about 290-300 wide. They grip like mad in a straight line too.

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GTS Listy

31-08-2010, 03:13 PM

The bonnet scoop is finished and looks mad and very unique. The panel guys really like it and adds some old school looks but modern style. I getting some touch up done underneath the bonnet after cutting out the bonnet holes. I am leaving all the supports X bracing in the bonnet so it is not a huge airflow but still will do something. I should be able to see the filters and engine from the drivers seat. Should be something different and pretty well guaranteed to be one noisy intake.
I have a set of 19 inch semi/race/road tyres coming up but not until next week so I have some second hand ones on there now so I can get 19s front and back to make the same look. They look huge for 19s and changes the look a fair bit considering the wheels are the same design.

Also it will be lowered a fair bit for the display on the weekend for the launch for the next apartment building sales we are building. Going to be a pain for a couple of days getting around with the spoiler and exhaust but should be right on the right roads. I will be lowering 2 inch at the front and 1 inch back. That is pretty dam low but should look sweet. Photos coming Friday/Saturday.

BOMI

31-08-2010, 06:35 PM

Come on Listy!!!

:gotpics:

ghz28

31-08-2010, 07:03 PM

GTS Listy

31-08-2010, 08:51 PM

Hey Listy,

have you done anything about the area where the door starts and there is the kink inwards?

I have bashed mine a bit, but still have to keep the car a little higher than I would like because my big slicks catch that bit. Gonna talk to a panel beater and see if he can just cut it out, don't need that door bit there anyway.

gh

ps.....this is where the utes and monaros have an advantage with tyre clearance

Garry. Reading your post on your cars thread I here you. The door edge was the limiting factor. I did the guard pump with the Holden jack and hairdryer and it worked pretty well. I could not do anything with the door without really risking stuffing it up.
I spoke to the local panel beater some time ago and he said it can be done but said there is a high likly hood if you want to keep the paint good the door will need a respray. It can be done by cutting that section under the door and bending the door edge but can end up getting messy.
I left the height of the car as low as possible under full suspension load and set the springs to that height. No ideal but the best I could do with the 18x9 and +20 offset
Now I have the 19x9.5 and +36 offset the entire 285 street rubber fits right under there but as I get too low the door area again become the limiting factor. Also on the rear spoiler get in the way a little but that bit can be hammered.
Mind you that is low and a pain

Also Photos will be Friday as I dont have the bonnet fitted as yet. More work on the suspension going on tommorrow too. Good thing about having the best wheel aligner in town right next door. Can do some magical stuff.

GTS Listy

03-09-2010, 09:24 AM

It is for race days only and is not pretty but it will surve the purpose nicly. I still have a couple of holes to cut on the top to match with the new bonnet scoop. I will be getting a big sponsor sticker put on that white bit too. It iwll be quick release by a few clips so easily removed to get to the oil filler if I need to on race days

I tried to get the stuff in clear but I needed some special nylon heat resistant stuff otherwise of would off.
Still have to get the filters mounted at the front and the ones around the intakes with light gauge reinforcement mesh but you get the idea. I will be cutting out more of the Harrop intake bit at the front to get a bigger opening on the filter area and run the filter all the way across. I will leave the bit in the middle for support.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_3431.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_3427.jpg

VYMaloo

03-09-2010, 12:27 PM

GTS Listy

03-09-2010, 12:50 PM

I think your on the right track but have you considered laying the radiator back or lowering it to take full agvantage of the moving air??
This months Unique Cars mag has a bit of info and a pic of a setup on a DJR Falcon ,JB has a bit of info on some of the trouble teams went to as well to design these things, not a bad read if your interested.

Have you thought of cutting one of the "slippery dip" type otr's at it's widest and matching it to your airbox design?

The lying the radiator back is on the cards. Eventually once I get the whole trays and intake sorted out and fully tested I will get the complete set up done in carbon fibre. Front to back.

I got the bonnet on today and ummmm the bonnet bulge is pretty huge. Slightly bigger than i though but it seems to work ok.

GTS Listy

03-09-2010, 06:30 PM

Few updated photos.

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GTS Listy

15-09-2010, 10:02 PM

Well we have practice on this weekend which is great. I have done some on the street testing with the single filter ouyt the front and open throttles and afrs seem to in the 13 to 14 mark under wot. I have booked dyno time this friday and just check things again and to check how the intake change works. It seems to go better that is for sure but could be in my head.
We will see.

Also the workshop that has been looking after my cars for all these years is shutting up shop as they can not get staff. They have the guru Mick that does all the performance related cars but can not find anyone else so they have decided to close up. Mick was heavily overloaded due to the demand. Dam shame as there is no one in this town I trust other than him and he looked after the LPG side of things too. Will have to do some hunting around and see who wants the task.
Sad day after such a history

I put a avatar in finially. First forum avatar for me.

Rattler

16-09-2010, 09:57 AM

I'll be taking mine to Pecky mate, as I wouldn't trust anyone else with her in Darwin.

GTS Listy

16-09-2010, 11:36 AM

I'll be taking mine to Pecky mate, as I wouldn't trust anyone else with her in Darwin.

Sounds good.

GTS Listy

16-09-2010, 09:54 PM

Dyno time has fallen through and I can not get my race wheels on as the aligner is away for a week. Did not know until today

So street tyres it is. Should be interesting but will be carfull. I shall welcome back under and oversteer with open arms.

Bit of a wasted practice as I can even run the open throttles for it due to no dyno but I might set it up just to go for a few quiet lapsand keep it below 5000rpm to check the seal and how it feels etc

GTS Listy

20-09-2010, 09:28 AM

The car cruised around pretty well yesterday at Hidden Valley considering I was on street tyres.
I end up taking a couple of passengers for some laps and even with street tyres they seemed to enjoy themselves. The GTS is not that bad on street tyres either. Quite surprising actually.
I am still amazed how much grip the Nankang NS2 have. The 285s out the back I tried a few times to get it sideways but no luck. The fronts did ok and did not understeer too much but are second hand Dunlops off a GTP ford. Cheap and saved buggering up the new ones.
As always I have some videos coming.

Few cars met walls on the weekend and suffered some damage too. Shame too and just small little errors. There was a few issues with fires starting around the track too after the offs. Pretty slow day between laps but plenty of people around and plenty of people were really interested in the GTS and the comments from the scoop were really good. People said it looks awesome and done really well.
I was actually pretty busy talking to people all day virtually without a break. Great to see such support from the locals coming down to watch a practice day.

GTS Listy

21-09-2010, 11:38 AM

I had a 50 / 50 chance of putting the right camera pointing forwards so the white out affect does not happen and got it wrong. I have put a mark on the correct camera now. Some option on the camera called WDR stops or assists with the white out affect with the sun. I was busy talking to people all morning and never got a chance to check the video so never fixed it. I have it sorted now though and ID the cameras that are WDR versions.

Some video of the GTS in a few laps for those interested. There is video in video dont with two of the camera angles. The other two cameras were out the back and under the car but nothing worth looking at.

Street tyres seemed to do ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzWU2lk2Qks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNpSsd0r8-k

GTS Listy

12-10-2010, 04:08 PM

We have another practice day this Sunday so more passenger rides which is always good fun and puts a smile on people face. Plenty more video footage as usual. So far no complaints but I will try again this weekend to scare some people with the semi slicks on.

Also I am in the process of arranging a special day with the local kids at the special education school (disable kids school) to do some laps at Hidden Valley in the GTS. Should be pretty interesting and should be a fun day. Planning on early December. Not sure if the parents will want their kids ripping down the straight at 220 so I will put some sort of limit on speed and corners. The noise will propberbly do most kids anyway.

The Sponsors are paying for the track hire, St johns etc which is very nice of them. No idea if the newspaper or TV will be involved. Just depends what the school wants.

GTS Listy

18-10-2010, 09:26 PM

Practice went as well as can be expected with street tyres. No idea of times etc but it was just some laps with people on board. Had fun and found the dam car wont drift or hang out easy. I did try but just would not spin the back tyres. Just pushed the front forward into bad understeer. You may see me trying a few times. Properbly the driver but for now I will blame the fat back tyres.

The car dis scrape a bit too as you will hear. It is ok with me in it but put a passenger and it scrapes on the back wheel abit.
The tyres run out of puff into the video a bit but you can see all the action as I put all 4 video in the one screen.
I put 2 angles on the second clip.
I have a couple of the HD cameras running togeather too so once I sort that with video in video there should be some good video coming

Next practice day is November 21 then I have the day with the school for the track fun day.
No plans for the car short term as I am looking into the bigger items like decent race suspenion, proper engine and get a decent gearbox under there with the better ratios. All costly things and they can not be done a little at a time like I normally do.
On the other hand as a cheap way out I could just go to slicks. Duno.

These just uploaded so they might need to be processed but should be ok to watch straight away. The DVR was the 4 channel RaceVid Extreme. Now flash protected bullet cameras so can be mounted anywhere and not worry about damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9qH5DIWEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2364jMGdgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc_vYEYuY74

There is more recent videos in there too but that was enough to post

myvyss

24-10-2010, 01:03 PM

Listy,

Your beast looks great. Looks awesome under the hood. Good job mate,

Steve

GTS Listy

26-10-2010, 09:41 AM

Cheer Steve

I should get the second part of the intake fininshed in the next month so I can run the open throttles, new filter set up etc. The AFRs seem fine so far with them open during testing but I have not done any dyno time to check them at full rpm.

I am talking to a couple of suppliers for the major bits for next year so plenty more to come. Still plan to be a daily driver next year too. Depends a bit on the medical to see if I can get a IP race license.

Basic plan for the car next year is to have fully switchable tune between high octane race E85 and supergas spec LPG with high compression 5.7 engine with all the goodies, decent heads, high reving etc. Same intake and maybe up the fuel system for E85. Get a M12 gearbox with better ratios and a bit tougher with better syncros. Suspension it will be mid range but good stuff, fully adjustable with more track suited spring rates.
I want to stick with the 5.7l engine. That is just me though.

No idea brands or anything like that but plenty of time to sort it.

GTS Listy

12-11-2010, 10:14 PM

Bit earlier than expected but I have some updated suspension coming up.
Also getting some new whiteline 30mm front (cant get the 32mm anymore) and 20mm rear non adjustable sway bars. Also arrangeing a the kit for the front Kframe mod and camber kit.
I might get the blistein solid trop strut mount too but not sure on costs of them and how they affect the daily driver duties so I will have to check that out.
Either way it should stiffen the car up a bit and help carry the weight better.
They are Blistein coilover 900lb versions with some other bits for extra - camber added. Not sure on all details just yet.

Proberbly wont fit them until Mid December though. Picks when they get here.

That might bring the engine forward a bit now too but I will try one more time for my race licence to get the medical clearance before doing that. Depending on the outcome of the medical next year may change what I put in there and also what tyres I run next year

ghz28

13-11-2010, 08:20 AM

Tony. If you haven't ordered all that stuff yet I have an adjustable rear bar for sale along with brand new WSP solid strut tops that I got for my ute but Murray Coote ended up making me something that suited his struts better.

The solid strut tops are fine on the road too and if they start to get noisy you just replace the bearing.

I can send pics of the strut tops if you want as they are still in the boot of the Merc and I am at Morgan Park today.

GTS Listy

14-11-2010, 09:50 PM

GTS Listy

18-11-2010, 09:49 PM

Garry thanks for the gear and good to see the utes are the same.
I do have a machinist shop that can do some custom bits to get things to match with the top strut mounts so no problems there.

Their is practice on sunday but I am giving it a miss. The rain has been crazy and I need a day on the car. First practice missed all year but I need a day to spend on the car working out how the hell to get the 275/65 slicks front and rear and also to get the second half of mold for the intake ready for fibroglassing.
Once it is all worked out off to Carbon Fibre. Should look pretty good. I am getting the centre part that covers the throttle linkgages done in carbon fibre also and it will be modifed so it can be removed without pulling all the LPG gear off. Simple mod really.

I will be doing a service on the 8TB too as it is starting to stick a little. It has not been touched in 18 months so I am not suprised a bit of lube is needed.

On the 30 November I am taking the special kids for some laps at the valley. A speed limit of 150km/h has been set so that should be enough for the kiddies.
Tell you what they were lining up the misses said. Maximum of 10 will be allowed due to time.
All good I believe as these kids need a bit of a break considering some the life some of them have had. Hopefully they will have a bit of a smile at the end of a few laps.

Next year we are arranging a much bigger day with full CAMS support, TV and newspaper involved, decent dollar sponsorhip money already tied up and a bunch of cars. Maybe 20 to 30 kids will come out for this one. Maybe more.

My work is very supportive of this sort of thing which is great.

GTS Listy

30-11-2010, 09:46 PM

Great 1/2 day doing laps at hidden valley with the special education kids from the local special school. These kids are dam hoons and just kept wanting to go faster.They liked the rev limiter with big thumbs up. Really good and they had huge similes and really a great thing to get involved in.
I found out why I was practicing driving with one hand (not really) as one of the kids had no head control so as I braked and took corners I held his helmet so he could see where he was going. He has no movment in his body other than face and this kid was smiling BIG time. Friggen fantastic actually. 6 kids got laps then dam car let me down.
I have no had issues for ages and today the gear stick decided to come half way out. It was still ok to drive around luckly. Them on the next outing the dash and electronics went nuts and engine went into put put mode. I was shitten thinking something went boom.

After a little look around I found some battery acid on around the battery so checked the charging volts and no regulated volts. More the revs more volts pumping through so not real good.
I tried to diconnect the alternator to run on battery only but everything was so hot I had no chance of a roadside repair and even then it would problerbly last a lap or two.
We put the rest of the day off until early next year. Definitally do this again as it was quite an experiance.
The car is at a shop getting the repairs done tommorrow so back on the road tommorrow arvo. It was working fine at idle so I could limp it around to the local repair shop.

I have some great video to give to the parents and kids for the day out so good memorys .

GTS Listy

01-12-2010, 09:12 PM

As expected a fried alternator so a new one is in now. The dam shifter not so easy. I cracked the rip shifter handle so a new one is on order. You would think something like that would not break but not so. 4 years of wear and tear I guess metal eventually runs out.
So possibly monday on the road again.

Also got my mug in the paper today with one of the kids in the car and a speal about the track day with the special kids. I will get a photo up tommorrow once I scan it.

The video is a crack up with some of the kids. The kids faces were a classic, especially the little bloke that I had to hold his head. The staff at the school saw it and thought it was beautiful. Yada yada. :sigh: All on full HD of course so they played it on the big screen. The parents will get a flash edited version with video in video etc.

It would be a classic video to post on you tube but we would never get the permission from the parents. I will put the from the back view up which is fine.

The over charging sent the 4 channel DVR system into over voltage mode which was dam lucky as I had my best 4 cameras in there. Glad it looked after itself and same for the car looking after itself going into limp mode. Could of caused some nasty damage very easy.

So a stuffed shifter and a alternator so overall not bad at all things considered
We will be doing another one of these days early next year but much bigger. Maybe 10 or so cars, stack of sponsorship, get the news in etc etc.
I have had about 10 calls today just asking how to get involved just from a speal in the paper. People really respond to someone getting things like this organised.

As for the car the suspension should be here next weeks and I will start sorting that out. I have the new top strut mounts (same as wholesale suspensions ones) the rear sway bar and some other bits to make the rear and front more adjustable and suit the bigger tyres. THe front guard pump after that and test fit some tyres.

35R

02-12-2010, 07:24 AM

Love you work Listy, that's a great thing you're doing, will be good to see some pics too :)

GTS Listy

08-12-2010, 03:14 PM

The bit of local paper time and photo of my mug. The paper wanted to run the outside photos but due to all the sponsorship all over the car we did not want to make it look like The Avenue apartments was plugging the day.

Sorry about the big photos.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_3809.jpg

The suspension gear going in as we speak. Looking at these springs I think I am in for some shaking. They are fat compared to the one I have on there now.

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Luke@WSP

09-12-2010, 08:20 AM

Nice top mounts !

All that gear should be the goods.

GTS Listy

09-12-2010, 11:06 PM

Nice top mounts !

All that gear should be the goods.

Should be. Thanks for your help today and for the gear too. I have changed mechanics so the auto thinking process is not quite working just yet.

On another note general question for commodore people the engine light will not go out after the alternator died. It has been replaced and there does not seem to be any problems, all charging is good, LPG all goeed etc. All the fault codes have been checked and cleared numberos times by the LM2 and still it comes up again. Worries me that there is somthing amiss

As there is no ls1 tuners up here what is the next step to find out what the issue is. Do I have to go to Holden on tech 2.

Here is the broken rip shifter

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taztassio

10-12-2010, 12:25 PM

hey mate, what spring rates are you going to be running with this new set up?

GTS Listy

10-12-2010, 01:20 PM

hey mate, what spring rates are you going to be running with this new set up?

900lb. Thankfully Darwin roads are smooth.

Also with the new shifter the whole shift feels way better with the new oil and no more popping out of reverse or crunching gear going from 2nd to 3rd. I have a feeling the original was never installed or adjusted right. The shift feel totally spot on and so smooth and fast. Better by a fair margin even compared to when I the ripshiffer installed in the first place.
One point to my new mechanic . He even fixed the shifter knob so it does not spin around now and come off (that is a common problem with the rip shift handles and the gear knob in case others are not aware. He did a mod to the handle and again spot on)

Just need that dam engine light to go away. I am driving the car around until the parts get here for the top strut mounts from Luke. Very simple mod and thankfully Luke was able to help quick smart and pretty well off the shelf plate to get the top strut mounts to line up with the bilsteins.

Luke@WSP

10-12-2010, 03:51 PM

Bits left this afternoon should be there Mon or Tuesday :)

taztassio

10-12-2010, 04:24 PM

900lb. Thankfully Darwin roads are smooth.

Also with the new shifter the whole shift feels way better with the new oil and no more popping out of reverse or crunching gear going from 2nd to 3rd. I have a feeling the original was never installed or adjusted right. The shift feel totally spot on and so smooth and fast. Better by a fair margin even compared to when I the ripshiffer installed in the first place.
One point to my new mechanic . He even fixed the shifter knob so it does not spin around now and come off (that is a common problem with the rip shift handles and the gear knob in case others are not aware. He did a mod to the handle and again spot on)

Just need that dam engine light to go away. I am driving the car around until the parts get here for the top strut mounts from Luke. Very simple mod and thankfully Luke was able to help quick smart and pretty well off the shelf plate to get the top strut mounts to line up with the bilsteins.

is that 900lb front or rear?

GTS Listy

11-12-2010, 05:46 PM

is that 900lb front or rear?

I think 900 front and 1000 rear. The rear springs I will see how they all sit with ride height as mine has a fair bit of weight right over the wheels from a full tank of LPG so it may sit lower than be expected.
I will get them fitted and see how it goes and how it sits.

GTS Listy

11-12-2010, 05:51 PM

Bits left this afternoon should be there Mon or Tuesday :)

Thank for that Luke. Postage has been terrible of late even express services. Either way out of our control and when they get here they get here. Cheers for your help too.

cosmo vyss

12-12-2010, 12:52 PM

GTS Listy

12-12-2010, 08:40 PM

What did he do to the handle of the rip to stop the knob from working loose?

He put a metal sleeve over it and put a small tac weld there. The sleeve was the perfect size for the knob. Then he jamed the knob home and perfect fit with zero movement. Really simply mod and something that really should be done from the supplier but I guess when modifying you can not win them all.

taztassio

13-12-2010, 11:36 AM

I think 900 front and 1000 rear. The rear springs I will see how they all sit with ride height as mine has a fair bit of weight right over the wheels from a full tank of LPG so it may sit lower than be expected.
I will get them fitted and see how it goes and how it sits.

Ah ok, thats VERY stiff for the front.

I had 1000lb rears but it wasnt suited to my koni's valving, i calculated my required spring rate and went with some new springs.

The fronts are good, but ill be converting to height adj. coil over, so ill have to find something with similar rates.

Luke@WSP

13-12-2010, 01:25 PM

Fine for a race car taz, the 1000lb rears you're talking about run on a 2:1 ratio due to the IRS whereas the front is a 1:1, no ratio.

taztassio

13-12-2010, 02:57 PM

yeah i am aware of that, and i used a 2:1 motion ratio when calculating my new springs rates.

GTS Listy

14-01-2011, 11:59 AM

The suspension is now all sorted. Looks the goods and gave me what I want with stacks of room for big front tyres with camber.
The top strut mounts did the trick and allowed the bottom spring seat to be lifted to clear the tyre.

This is with the street tyres on. These are 8.5 inch rims but if there were 8 inch it would be equivalent to +43 offset. The - camber room is based on the shock and not the spring seat so as you can see there is stacks. I guess around 50-60mm. Once I get the race wheels on with their camber I will have another 20mm more again. Now I have huge options of wheels and tyres.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4220.jpg

Clears the tyres. Looks close in the picture due to the difficult camera angle to get under there but it does clear it by around 10mm or so.

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The top strut mounts allowing the spring seat to lift up.

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The intake trays will be changed over by end of next week and open throttles here we come with big front filters. The radiator is all tilted back so the air now can flow faster.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4229.jpg

It sits the same height as I used to have it before I lowered it for the car show. Perfect height for race duties. I need a new bracket sorted now on the front spoiler but you get that running it low.

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The old gear all out. I think a mate is interested but if they do come up for grabs i will post an add.

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2 cylinders shy

14-01-2011, 12:13 PM

:wave:
hows the ride?
driving impressions?
it sits at a good height

GTS Listy

14-01-2011, 12:21 PM

Forgot to add

The ride is slightly rougher but not that much really. Darwin roads are pretty smooth. I guess to give a comparison it would be similar to the Teins on the hardest setting. The biggest difference is you feel the smaller finer bumps and the shock rebound is much faster so when you go over a small bump it seems to really push the tyres back to the deck straight away.

The top strut mounts dont change any feel driving around on the street which is simply awesome considering what i thought would happen. There is no extra harshness etc so i can not see any reason at all why they could not be used on a daily driver. Once I get to the track I think I will be able to feel the difference under stress. Also they do look the goods too I think

2 cylinders shy

03-02-2011, 04:39 PM

new wheel option
http://www.koya.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=140
18x8.5 18x9.5 custom offset

GTS Listy

07-02-2011, 10:53 AM

new wheel option
http://www.koya.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=19&products_id=140
18x8.5 18x9.5 custom offset

Not bad at all. I was looking for the BMW wheels in the 18x9.5 +15 front and +30 rear but these are about the same price and more freedom with offsets.
I had the medical to get my race license and no luck again for another year so might as well go fat 285s or all round.

I finished the new intake trays and dam what a fantastic intake sound. Even better than the 8 filters on there. I still have some tidy up work as it is a bit messy but it is 95% done and driving around the streets. Looks different but I like it. I will get some photos up once it is done as it looks very home made (well it was I guess). I still have new trumpets to fit but for now I am using the stuff from the original Harrop intake.

One question:
Anyone know how to work out air filters area cm2, verse engine capacity, verse max RPM the engine will rev too. ( i.e. ? cm2 with 5.7 L engine and 7000 rpm) The filters I have on the new set up still allows the top cover to suck in a bit when I rev it hard but i have made it so I can increase the filter area by a fair bit. I might as well get it right to now as it is a custom made filter.

Delft Maloo

07-02-2011, 12:04 PM

GTS Listy

07-02-2011, 01:19 PM

i found this on the net listy http://www.irday.com/html/Engine%20fuel%20engineering/20080412/9552.html i would try calling unifilter,k&n and others and give them your specs and see what they reckon.
Go to the bottom off the page in this link form k&n http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm

117 square inches of airflow will cover you or if you want to run 8 individual filters it would be approx 15 square inches per cylindar, these figures are roughly a minimum flow number.

Cool. I have 30 inches room across the front and about 4 inch height. Should be right to get by. I am using filter mesh with K and N oil filter spray. It will need regular servicing I know but should do the job until I get the custom one here. The custom one will have the zig zagging like a normal filter so will be much more actual ci2 filter area.
I will put up a photo tonight so people can see what the idea is incase there is some error in my ideas
Cheers

GTS Listy

07-02-2011, 10:57 PM

I put the new filter in and walah fixed and it breaths heaps better and the lid has stopped sucking in. I will put some decent reves in it tommorrow and see how it goes. I will check the afrs too to make sure they are ok with the change. I will put it in the dyno for a run up to make sure not problems at full load. Lucky I get free dyno time.

I will put pictures up in a couple of days after I tidy it up.

GTS Listy

10-02-2011, 12:23 PM

Work in progress but it is all together and driving around testing. Plenty of tidy up work to do and somehow fit the 8 tunnel rams on there instead of the cut up stuff from the original intake. Not sure on how to do this yet as it is tight

Definitively can feel seat in the pants more power, more low end power for sure and traction control is coming on heaps when you give it a bit. I am bunny hopping a bit again too so there is a pretty different feel to the power delivery. Strange such a big change with opening up the throttles but that is the way these things work best.

The cover is clear too so yes there is a cover over it. Challenge with the strut brace to get the seal right but all good now. The silicon joiners take the vibration and engine movement and the tray stay with the chassis.
It took some work, some thinking and about 20 hours in total getting it all fitted, worked out and perfect seal.

From here the the ram tubes will be fitted and the 3M carbon fiber stuff put over all the tray. Also the custom made air filter will be made up in the coming few weeks. My home made one does the job pretty well and it let me get all the correct dimensions and angles for a good seal

The clear lid comes off in about 2 minutes by way of wing nuts, the oil filler lid is accessed by the silver cover and that is held down by rare earth magnets on the underside so it simple to lift up and you have access to fill the oil up. The entire tray set up can be totally removed in about 5 minutes. The strut brace bolts are welded underneath so you do not need access in the wheel well.

I will finish the tidy up work on the weekend

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Delft Maloo

10-02-2011, 01:34 PM

absollutly awesome listy, you have done an outstanding job on it.

GTS Listy

14-02-2011, 02:07 PM

I put the 3 M stuff on over the weekend. Turned out ok.

I could not get the trumpets to fit as the tops are just too big and the room is too tight. Now I have 8 of these I have nothing to do with so i will sell them. I have not found anything off the shelf as yet so might have to leave these be or go custom when I get the proper carbon firbre intake trays made. All the molds are done so just a matter of some cash and getting around to it.

I will jump on a dyno sometime this week to check the afr under load to make sure it is ok. Practice this weekend and round 1 is early march. Hopefully have new wheels and tyres by round 1 too. There are a few guys with slicks now so I will have my work cut out for me to stay up the front but the rain is too high risk and i would prefer to race in the wet than not at all.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4337.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4339.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4340.jpg

GTS Listy

21-02-2011, 01:20 PM

I got on the dyno this morning and the AFRs are fine which is good. Around the 13 to 13.5 pretty well dead flat across the rev range. It was on a different dyno than usual so no idea if I picked up power but on this dyno it was 260 rwkw so 10 less that the normal dyno. I am not fussed about that as I have got better 0 to 60mps times (4.8 instead of 5.1) and it definitively feels better and revs faster so fine by me.

I still have the dam issue of no extra power from 5000-7000. Around 8 rwkw in total increase above 5000 rpm. There must be some reason why it just stops making power. It is like a wall. I recorded the logs like timing etc so will check all this and try and work out the reason and get it sorted. All the fuel, exhaust, intake, injectors etc are all good for up to about 320+ rwkw.
Also I tried power runs with bonnet open, closed, I took the perspex covers off so there was no filter and it made 0.5rwkw difference. All up 7 runs in different circumstances yet almost identical numbers. It has done this on other dynos too so it is not this dyno and no matter what it will produce identical numbers. Maybe the knock sensors are stopping the power or something.

Strange that the only dyno that it kept going up above 5000 on was APS dyno yet all others including chevs performance in Melbourne it basically flat lines from 5000 upwards.

Part of the fun working out why and sorting it.

I have done a few tidy ups on the intake trays and change the wing nuts to lock nuts. The vibration was undoing them which thinking about it now was not unexpected. Easy fix though.

taztassio

22-02-2011, 02:17 PM

GTS Listy

22-02-2011, 03:21 PM

I think its obvious Listy, your intake is probably as efficient as it can be, infact im not sure you have even picked up much from the standard harrop one you originally had on there, so maybe something else is a limiting factor. Are the heads ported?

I agree totally. Something else is in there stopping the power. The heads are C4B ones and have been tested to flow up to 550hp so they are fine. The car had produced up to 320rwkw on a mainline dyno at APS shop and that mainline is apparently on par with Chevs dyno based on the back to back tests from other ls1.com owners.
I have never been able to repeat it those numbers as you saw when you took it to chevs. I would like to get APS to have another shot at the tune up here but it has been impossible to get the numbers to justify the trip up here. Allot of the local performance forums are really slowing down and the interest has backed off a fair bit. I guess it is similar elsewhere too.

I am going through the logs tonight and I will do up a display video of the dyno run.

taztassio

22-02-2011, 04:10 PM

Hmm, I honestly dont know what it could be then, maybe the cam isnt what you think? But i dont know. Either way it was/is an animal to drive, and if you dont think youll gain much on the track, dont bother!

Delft Maloo

22-02-2011, 04:43 PM

Litsy were the valve springs changed? even if they were it wouldnt hurt to pull them out and check their pressures again just incase 1 or more have collapsed? it has happened befor in other setups.

GTS Listy

22-02-2011, 05:06 PM

Litsy were the valve springs changed? even if they were it wouldnt hurt to pull them out and check their pressures again just incase 1 or more have collapsed? it has happened befor in other setups.

Taz it does feel better under foot and more responsive now so it is only a dyno.

I have it going into the workshop next week for the battery cables to be rerun (properly this time) and also a reconnect the battery isolator and isolator cables so i will get them to have a quick look at that while they have it.

I just checked the log from the dyno run and after the service I did on the 8TB the Throttle position sensor now reads up to 95% instead of the 80% it was before. Strange but I guess better than before.

I have 1 3/4 extractors and 2.5 inch Difillopo exhausts so they are fine still or are they too small. I thought they were good for up to 320rwkw.

Here is the log data from a couple of the runs. The afr was not working but it was between 13.0 and 13.5 straight across under full load.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovIblyMR_ME

Delft Maloo

22-02-2011, 08:20 PM

hey listy is that actual timing or commanded timing?

GTS Listy

22-02-2011, 09:16 PM

hey listy is that actual timing or commanded timing?

Not sure on that. It is through EFI tuning if that helps.

macca33

03-03-2011, 11:02 PM

GTS Listy

04-03-2011, 10:26 AM

WOW Listy, I had been loosely following your exploits on LS1, but hadn't taken the time to go through your entire build. Kudos to you for getting right into this and I 'spose the PB of 1:22-odd is a fair indicator that you've done exceedingly well.

Dunno about the power issue, there is a problem somewhere - you shouldn't be flat-lining from 4800rpm or so. I don't reckon it'd be the 8TB, but it has to be something with either air / fuel, or the cam timing is way out????? Hope you get it sorted out.

BTW - I'm not having a crack at anyone at all, it just seems very odd that it hits the brick-wall for you at the 4800rpm mark.

cheers

Macca

Cheers mate. The power wall is strange but I need a tuner that can assess what is causing it. Biggest confusion point is why did APS get that huge power jump from 5000 to 7000 and pulled right through. Yes all others including Chevs and 3 different dynos up all all pretty well flat line. :breakdance:

At the moment there is nothing I can do until a tuner visits to find some reason so I can move forward. I want to get a new built 5.7 or 6L in there but I can not see the point if there is some issue

We have racing on Saturday at night which should be cool fun. Probably will be wet which is a shame as there was some money put into promotion for this event and then the cost of lights hire etc etc.
I have some brand new A050 on so at least I will have some grip even if it is raining. I have video cameras everywhere int he GTS (8 I think) for the event and lent out 10 camera systems to other blokes racing so there will be stacks of video for the club to use for future promotion.

If I ever get a answer where my 50 odd rwkw disappeared to I will surely let people know.

fatas

04-03-2011, 01:26 PM

GTS Listy

08-03-2011, 10:42 AM

I had a good few sessions at Hidden Valley. New PB now too. Best is 1.22.12 now. In addition it is lapping in the 1.22.2-3 now when in clear laps. Pretty wrapped. The suspension seems better in the corners but not as nice under really hard braking so I might need to adjust the wing a bit. It still is fine but not as steady as the Teins
I had a leaky petrol fuel injector on the last bit of the warm down lap so that buggered me for the night race at 8.00pm. It was likely caused from the intake tray putting pressure on it but it is all sorted now and adjustments made so it wont happen again.

So all good on the race day and driving around Sunday and Monday.

Now the NOT so good news I was driving home yesterday I heard a nasty clunk clunk sound under my feet and white smoke out the back exhaust. Just started from nothing and only putting around on 1500 rpm. So I guess the engine is a gona. It still has oil pressure and all the rest. I will get it opened this week and check to see what has let go. All the oil pressure during racing and around town was spot and never dropped below 45psi so it should not be oil related. I used 10W60 as I always have.

So now to hunt down a replacement engine.

Couple of videos from the meet. This is the 4 channel DVR set in all 4 cameras in one mode. The engine intake camera did not work out too good as the tray vibrated stacks compared to what I though.

Check the 0 to 60km/h time. Shame I had to change gear as it looses a near second. Not bad for a 2 tonne car though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8gjAnzsMqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb808iijt1M

GTS Listy

08-03-2011, 10:45 AM

i would be keen for sonny or tuna to have a look at your problem do you have the cam specs and spring specs ? may be 1 7/8'' extractors ?
how old is this motor now ?
has the lift been checked ?
worn cam may be ?
are the rockers to tight ?
these are all questions i thought about hope its sorted soon good luck mate and good work :drivin:

I got all that and I was going to respond but the answer is above so it will be stripped and rebuilt or I find a second hand ls1 somewhere and swap the good gear over.
Depending what i find around and cost will depend what I do with the rebuild. It did not blow up from racing so no sponsorship help on this one. Doeh.
Such is life

Mind you the engine has had a hard life. Around 13,000km traveling at or above above 200km/h from Darwin to Alice Springs and back a number of times, Dozens of high maximum speed runs on Sundays when the open limits were here, I have hit top speed alteast 20 times or more (274km/h was the best) 5 years of monthly circuit racing and practice days, some drag racing, motorkhanas and finially 10 years as a daily driver.

I think it deserves a good funeral.

GTS Listy

09-03-2011, 10:08 AM

Well the engine was opened yesterday and it seems it may be my fault and not the engine. Something has dropped down one of the intake runners and buggered it. Damaged the spark plug, head, piston, all the water went though the head (hence the white smoke) and it just continued to die as it went on.

Strange that it happened as I had the individual filters on and not the intake tray. All the filters were in situ correctly and tight. Maybe something was sitting in the intake runner after I removed it fixing the leaky injector on Saturday night and just happen to rattle loose as I was driving home

So the engine did not die which is nice to know but it is dead now.

GTS Listy

11-03-2011, 12:56 PM

Engine is out, heads and sump is off and it is official it is dead. No bits were found like nuts or washers etc and all the stuff I used was stainless steel and hardened. Spark plug bits was all they found

A mate said it could of been the spark plug destroyed. They did find bits of plug through the engine. Only one cylinder is damaged bad including the bore, piston, that spark plug, that section of the head etc. It has dropped into the sump area too so it probably has going elsewhere too.

It may not of been my fault but in reality we will never know as it may have been destroyed by the pressure.

Anyway the cost options are being worked on now. Either way not cheap and as this was not planned it will be tough to get this sorted right and for a decent budget. It happened on the road so no help with sponsorship on this one. DOEH. Why couldn't it not blow up on the track then at least I could get some financial help.

If the budget streaches I will try and upgrade and see if there is a way to get some more power while I am at it.

GTS Listy

11-03-2011, 03:22 PM

To add I think something did fall in there. Looks like a mashed up stainless bolt on one of the heads area. It is a molten mess so not real sure.

I just went to look at the engine and I think I have found why the power loss.

All valves were playing games on top of the pistons. Bouncing up and down and have been doing this for some time as the dints are about 2mm+ deep. All pistons are dented from the valves. Can not believe the dam engine kept going for so long and been given a total floggen.

You would think I would be pissed but I am actually pleased to find a reason and it makes me feel better putting another engine in.

The cam was either too big, dialed in wrong or the heads shaved too much. Just as curiosity I am sending the valve springs away to get tested to make sure it was not the springs. High spec Springs failing on all pistons, I doubt that.

I have been shopping around and replacement engines are not cheap. Upgrades ones are even more. I wont get change from 10k out of this.

Delft Maloo

11-03-2011, 04:35 PM

So sorry to hear listy, but as you said you now have an answer as to why it never made the power it was supposed to. There are a few different reasons as to why this might have happen'd and its good to see you not pointing the finger straight away like so many would have..

seldo

11-03-2011, 04:39 PM

Not good news big fella. :-(
While you are at it you should try to get about 4/500kg out of it...:yep: :stick:

choppo

11-03-2011, 08:38 PM

Not good news big fella. :-(
While you are at it you should try to get about 4/500kg out of it...:yep: :stick:

And use petrol :p :stick:

Been off the forums for a while. Great work on the intake Tony! Bad luck on the engine tho.... hope it wasn't a S.S. wingnut embedded in that head :(

GTS Listy

11-03-2011, 09:53 PM

And use petrol :p :stick:

Been off the forums for a while. Great work on the intake Tony! Bad luck on the engine tho.... hope it wasn't a S.S. wingnut embedded in that head :(

It was too much metal for that and I guess it was a screw. I did find a way to put the covers on without the screws after the fact by using zip ties. It seemed there may have been one or two nuts lying in the valley or somewhere hidden under the cover

I am trying hard to get the budget to strech to a 6L transplant but putting all costs togeather it will be around 15K. I can not do it myself as I am stuck for the next few weekends away. Fair bit of dough unplanned.
As for the LPG there is no E85 up here so I will stick with the 8TB intake on LPG.

As for the weight I will address that once it is off the street. With the crap power of 260rwkw and 2 tonne and lapping at 1.22.2 around the valley it does ok for now. With more mumbo I think a low 1.21 is possible.

More info to follow on what way I will go.

seldo

12-03-2011, 12:28 PM

....As for the weight I will address that once it is off the street. With the crap power of 260rwkw and 2 tonne and lapping at 1.22.2 around the valley it does ok for now. With more mumbo I think a low 1.21 is possible.
.No argument there, but losing 400kg would give you 1.18's or better with the same power....

GTS Listy

12-03-2011, 03:07 PM

No argument there, but losing 400kg would give you 1.18's or better with the same power....

Maybe the future and with me in it that much weight would be a big ask. 1.18 would be a good number though. I would have to push it hard though as that is what the top IP cars do now and they are set up a whole lot better than my car and I dont like taking much risk. I like to have a certain comfort margain.

It would have to go onto E85 for sure but the 8TB can work with that no problems.

GTS Listy

14-03-2011, 01:22 PM

Bits from the damage.

Check at the bottom of the valve area. There is about 5mm of molten metal. It is the silver stuff

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4496.jpg

Cracked block

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4499.jpg

The piston damage from the valve

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/100_4501-1.jpg

GTS Listy

14-03-2011, 01:43 PM

ghz28

14-03-2011, 03:47 PM

If I went a L98 with cam will the 1 and 3/4 and 2.5 inch difillipo be ok or would people upgrade to the 1 7/8 and 3 inch system.

Would it be ok just to do the 1 7/8 headers for now and the rest later.

Hi from Auckland Tony,

Gee that is all bad news, feel for you. I remember what it was like when mine threw a rod out 12 months ago.

That business with valves hitting pistons was all the rage a couple of years ago. Seems everyone just followed like sheep in saying this cam fits with these bits, no need to check piston to valve. There have been quite a few engines pulled down in Brisbane of late with the same issue from a variety of builders too. I insisted on deep flycut pistons in my rebuild, suggest you do the same.

On the headers, I went 1 7/8 with mine, and still run 2 1/2 exhaust after the cats so far, and it is fine, albeit a bit of a compromise. But at the time mine was still registered like yours. Mine still makes well over 300 RWKW with the 95dB 2.5 inch exhaust for Lakeside so don't fret too much about the 2.5 inch exhaust.

GTS Listy

14-03-2011, 04:55 PM

Hi from Auckland Tony,

Gee that is all bad news, feel for you. I remember what it was like when mine threw a rod out 12 months ago.

That business with valves hitting pistons was all the rage a couple of years ago. Seems everyone just followed like sheep in saying this cam fits with these bits, no need to check piston to valve. There have been quite a few engines pulled down in Brisbane of late with the same issue from a variety of builders too. I insisted on deep flycut pistons in my rebuild, suggest you do the same.

On the headers, I went 1 7/8 with mine, and still run 2 1/2 exhaust after the cats so far, and it is fine, albeit a bit of a compromise. But at the time mine was still registered like yours. Mine still makes well over 300 RWKW with the 95dB 2.5 inch exhaust for Lakeside so don't fret too much about the 2.5 inch exhaust.

Cool and thanks for that. I do need to keep in mind the noise for street use too.
Cheers

ova400

14-03-2011, 08:21 PM

Thats a shame about the motor listy, hopefully you can find a cheap LS2 so you can keep the intake and get it up to 6L

GTS Listy

18-03-2011, 09:58 AM

It will be a few weeks off the road by the looks. Organising some cash. I want to do it right and want to upgrade at the same time. I am digging the old nissan out from under the covers to drive around for a bit. Need to fix the alternator, pump up the tyres and get rego back on it. Dead money but needs to be done.

I have a plan and if all goes well it will be a big cam L98 6 litre with 24 tooth reluctor wheel mod and Harrop adapter plate to fit the 8TB. Then tuned somehow.
We will see though as that is plenty of cash.

I am heading to the Clipsal 500 for the weekend. All weekend in the main Clipsal tent.
Free weekend including plane flights, accommodation, food, drinks etc so no complaints. Mind you, we will be spending a truck load of money through them over the next few years so why not.

GTS Listy

14-04-2011, 09:14 PM

The finance minister has given the go ahead for the upgrades. It wont be ordered until a month or so as I am putting the cash aside for it. Thankfully after some duscussions with the sponsors they are kicking in a bit too which is dam great and allows a decent upgrade instead of just a basic upgrade.

So a pretty decent shopping list. Plenty of cash going in the car.

GM motorsport L98 crate motor,
Upgraded springs, rods, injectors and circuit type cam choice. Still to be determined but pretty decent stick for good power mid to top end. Rev limit 7000.
24 tooth reluctor wheel change,
GM motorsport lume kit to change from a ls1 to L98
New sump and change over the sump baffle from the old motor
Harrop Adapter plate to go from the Ls1 heads to the L98 heads. Lifts the intake up by about 3cm
New 1 and 7/8 Difillipo headers. Still use the 2.5 inch cat back
New 3 inch side pipes for the odd big race day and demo days only
New complete intake tray including new trumpets. The new fibro tray will be one complete piece including using zip ties for the top cover now. Should look sweet
New custom made air filter
New whiteline 30 mm adjustable front sway bar
Modified strut brace to fit over the raised intake.
Modified 8TB petrol and LPG injector supports as the one on there are brass and weak
Some under tray work including a front splitter tray, rear diffuser made up and maybe some undertray in the middle depending how hard it turn out to be. (all removable too if I ever get my dam race licence)
A full front to back service of Mainlube oils for everything.

And finially a retune to suit

Unfortunially this will be all workshop stuff and me not involved with any of the install which sucks but I am flat out.

As for this weekend I am heading to the Gold Coast to have a piss up with my old army mates for our 20th year reunion (sparky mates from the old apprenticeship days). Shame I dont drink at all now.
I expect some of the boys to be shocked at that as I used to drink every one of them under the table 3 x over. That catches up on you doing that sort of thing though hence I dont drink now and reformed. The old motto does not work any more. Rum for fighting and VB for loven. Pretty easy on both counts back then with with almost no body fat, 6ft 9 and biceps bigger than most people legs.

Looking forward to seeing them though. We are doing the pubs, a theme park and the usual coast things. Even going to the beach with waves which will be good to see for a change. I am staying at one of the mates massive house on the water. Should be a blast. Even the 5 fellas that got busted for drugs and got kicked out are coming and I have not seem them blokes in 18 years.

Anyway I will get photso up as things on the car progress.

GTS Listy

10-05-2011, 09:02 PM

Only a very short time until I get this ordering under way. BUT

I had a specialist apointment today and he basically said to forget trying to go into proper racing. The requiments and my back condition simply dont meet. Maybe some day but no time soon he said.

So considering how strong the aussie dollar is I can get a 416ci Ls3 stroker with reasonable internals and big ass cam for near on the same price as a cammed L98 in aus.
I have a price for a fully forged and built 6L from the US too but that is more.

I know there is all the warranty issues with US and risks and all that but value for money and additional power is very tempting. Mind you as soon as you race the aus cammed L98 motor they dont really have warrnaty anyway (other than to keep piece they may look after you)

I am in a bit of a not sure mode now but I have a week to decide.

I have the cammed L98 price from aus. Not a bad price really for the end power result. Meets IP spec
Cammed and fully built with forged internals 6L from the US to meet IP spec. Claimed power is temping but more cash
and the 416 ci mid range and built internals with great US price. Too big for IP racing.

Thinking thinking.

Would people frown on me locally if I run a big 416 cu in the street class as that is way outside the normal engine sizes. No one else runs strokers etc

Would not mind some peoples throughts

ghz28

10-05-2011, 09:41 PM

Tony, sprints and other events outside of sanctioned events are open slather, run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough.

I thought long and hard about engine size with my rebuild in 2009, but decided to stick with 6L. Could have been up to 570 odd cu ins LSX.

If you are not restrained by a category restriction, go with your inner feelings on what you want. No cheater engines in sprints. Here in Brisbane any NA V8 is in the same class as any turbo 6 so we need everything we can get.

gh

Delft Maloo

10-05-2011, 09:43 PM

tough one listy, what are your personal thoughts on the racing idea? do you really want to do it and do you believe you could be competitive? how long are you prepared to wait to see if your back situation improves? these are the 2 biggest dilemmas you have really as your decision on your engine choice will be made on your answers to those 2 questions.
If your answer to those questions is yes than you instantly knock the 416 out of question, then its just a matter of how much $ you want to throw in the engine and wether or not you want to save a little for something else.

GTS Listy

11-05-2011, 11:20 AM

I am not sure if the old back will ever improve. It is a permanent problem and will not go away unless some crazy new medication comes along so really I may never get approved to go into IP racing anyway.

To be reasonably competitive, if I got me license to race, I would have to take the car off the street for starters, strip it, put it on E85 instead of the LPG (weight reasons) and then see how it all goes. I would definitely need the 6L engine then and it would have to be the built one too.

Alternatively I could leave it as a streetcar with a stroker motor and run some pretty good times as is with the extra ci, power and torque and that is all good considering the car and me are heavy.

I am not limited by CI or mods in this class. It is a free for all and use what ever you like as long as it is safe, has 4 wheels and brake lights.

The 6L would be deemed more fair to other racers and the first thing people would say if the car was fast is that it has a big power stroker motor and that is why it is fast.

If only the 6L fully built motor was less $ as that is the way I would go. Near on the same power as the stroker and still be fair and easy changeover classes. I will see if I can do some more work on the price.

See how things go.

Delft Maloo

11-05-2011, 11:35 AM

i cant see why they just cant build you a hot 6ltr for less, your saving $ for a start without the stroker crank? pistons, rods, bearings and such are still gonna be the same. the only real extra in cost should be if the a doing some special lightning of the crank or something.
Hot 6ltr, std crank, forged pistons and rods= lighter material and less rotataing mas so its gonna rev faster and easier than a std 6ltr.
There are machining tricks for cranks to also aid in reduceing resistance like re shaping the offset wheights to cut through air/oil with less resistance and lightening them in general.
i honestly cant see why a fully built 6ltr would be dearer than a fully built 416cu stroker, you'd prob want the 6ltr to rev more than the stroker but besides solid lifters and heavier suited springs there really isnt any difference?
Aftermarket std stroke crank is stronger and lighter than the std 6ltr crank and in turn will offer less rotational mass for quicker acceleration. should be the same cost as a 416 stroker bar solid lifters and bigger springs if you want to go a mamoth cam.
No point doing all this unless you have the supporting heads to suit either, no point ringing the shit out of it to gain 10hp more if your using heads that are holding it back 30hp.

GTS Listy

11-05-2011, 12:20 PM

Specification would help here.

So I will break it down. I will use my existing sump and the 8TB intake and all changed to the 24 x reluctor wheel

1. GM TK cam package with L98 engine complete crate engine, upgraded oil pump, upgraded timing chain with adapter wiring from a Ls1. Around the $11,000 mark delivered. Install excluded.
Need the harrop adapter plate here at $1400.

Est 450 kw crank

2. Forged and built 6L engine. US made. Delivered as a long block with dyno report.

6000cc engine with GM block, Mahle LS piston set 4032 forging, scat lightweight forged rods, small journal crankshaft, MAST 245cc 11º heads and all the usual upgraded oil pump, timing chain etc etc. Using a hydraulic cam with all the good goodies in the heads. Big cam too obviously.

No need for adapter plate as the heads suit the 8TB
Final price to be determined but around the $10 000 usd mark.

Est 480-500 kw crank (bit high I think)

3. Ls3 based stroker with the below specifications. Delivered as a long block with dyno report.

$7500 usd. Using Ls3 heads though. Need the Harrop adpater plate and the wiring kit to change to a Ls3. Around $1700 extra

Est 500 kw crank

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/Snapshot84.jpg

GTS Listy

11-05-2011, 12:32 PM

Note the built 6L from the us and the 416ci from the us the compression will be to suit NA applications only and around the 11.5.1 to 11.8.1 compression. All the Us engines still have freight and import costs to add. Should of put that on the price.

The GM one normal compression as per a L98.

Peoples troughs. The 416ci is a lot of engine for the money

Delft Maloo

11-05-2011, 02:14 PM

Those mast heads are costing you some $ right there but they will be worth it, if you take the value of those heads back off the total that engine becomes alot more reasonable.
Hell if i wasnt concerned about the capacity i would through the stroker crank in the race 6ltr package:up2sum: .
there's a difference between a race prepped engine and a built motor, one will take 7000+rpm all day and the other wont. I can buy all the bits to make a nascar motor and put it together but it still doesnt make it a nascar race engine, there's a lot more time and effort in making a race engine and its alot of experienced know how that goes into making them to make them last that every bit.

Delft Maloo

11-05-2011, 02:43 PM

i worded some things above wrong but you should get what i mean, one of my mates is an engine builder and races an ex perkins v8 supercar and there's a whole heap of other work and time going into these motor's when they are freshen'd up over a normal street built motor
Have a chat to choppo of what's gone into his 6ltr, i bet it aint just a set of rods and pistons, sam would have spent hours piecing it toeghter to the tighest of tolorences.
On the other side of things you have to look at its service life span, a race engine built to 10/10ths will require more frequent service and maitainence than something looser built for road.

GTS Listy

11-05-2011, 10:35 PM

I had never heard of them Mast heads until I got the spec sheet. Seem like the goods and I never got a breakdown of what each compenent costs so no idea what they are worth. Fair but by the sounds.

I have given them instructons that it is a street/track car and I passed on how many km I do on the street and how many track km too.
I would be nothing like a full on race engine as it still will be a daily driver.

Thanks for the comments too. Helps heaps

Delft Maloo

11-05-2011, 10:43 PM

Delft Maloo

11-05-2011, 11:02 PM

may be slightly wrong there, i dont think etp heads are available anymore and one of their main guys now does the mast heads and have moved them to be one of the top heads out there.
Either way they are supposed to be one of the best.

GTS Listy

12-05-2011, 09:11 AM

Cool and thanks for that

I am also getting the gearbox freshened up a bit too at Mal Woods. I am changing the 5th and 6th gear ratio to the M12 version. Bit lower for 5th for the circuit to allow a smaller change from 4th to 5th and allows 6th to be more usable around town. It is only a 40 to 80km /h car around town and never goes out on the open highways anymore so no problems there. With the 4.11 it is pretty low geared already but needs it for the weight.

I should have the full specs of the built 6L in a few days so will post them up then.

GTS Listy

24-05-2011, 10:32 AM

Here is the built 6L bits. This is likely the way I will go (99% sure). Good engine, good power and within IP specs too. Some bits there are a little not so street friendly and it will need good on going maintenance but Darwin is flat and easy to drive around in.

Well priced too for all the stuff to be honest. There is some bits moving over from the old motor so a few bits is missing on the list.

Some feedback would be appreciated or any ideas too please. Only get one shot at this.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/Snapshot93.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/Snapshot94.jpg

ova400

25-05-2011, 11:34 AM

Thats one hell of a cam there with the lift, but it will have solid lifters at least. Are you thinking of dry sumping it while you're at it just for insurance to avoid a loss of oil pressure??

GTS Listy

25-05-2011, 12:10 PM

Thats one hell of a cam there with the lift, but it will have solid lifters at least. Are you thinking of dry sumping it while you're at it just for insurance to avoid a loss of oil pressure??

I thought the cam lift was a type but nope. Pretty decent though.

The dry sump is not on the cards at this stage. I have tested the Improved Racing sump baffle really well over the last couple of years with oil pressure data for all around the track and it is totally fine. Eventually I will upgrade but not while I am only using Hidden Valley.

JJR355

01-06-2011, 07:09 PM

Mate, I'd check out Sam and Issy Blumenstein in Melbourne. (www.comeracing.com). They are geniuses with Holden stuff and are now getting excellent results with LS series motors. No freight either..

GTS Listy

04-06-2011, 02:15 PM

Thanks for the info

Found out a interesting thing that Mal Wood wont warrenty his gearbox reubuilds if they have rip shifter (the overshfting issue which I know about well). Bit of a nuisance but I have now changed the shifter to a mal wood one with some minor mods to it for race use.

The box is all done now so some different ratios and some handy strenghting upgrades and now a new shifter too. Not a bad price for all that works I though too.

Delft Maloo

04-06-2011, 04:31 PM

whats doing with your old rip listy? or is it still broken? may be keen.

GTS Listy

05-06-2011, 01:44 PM

whats doing with your old rip listy? or is it still broken? may be keen.

There is nothing wrong with it. Even has a new handle on it. Once I get it back I will send you a PM. I wont need it now anyway. With freight it will be a couple of weeks though.

GTS Listy

16-08-2011, 08:46 PM

Welcome back trackchat.

Well the new engine is taking ages (late sept now if I am lucky) so i purchased a second hand ls1. It will do the job and I will swap over the bits I need from my engine and get a retune.
It will start to be fitted on Thursday so maybe mid next week it will be back on the road. The E85 is on hold as the deal to bring some up seems to have gone sour. So petrol / LPG it is.

Once the new engine arrives I will put it in the shed until next year or I may even leave it be until I do IP racing. Lot of money to sit around though.

So the september meet I will be out the track again and I will also so some drag racing on the new track.

Tommorow I am heading down the valley for a HSV and Merc/AMG day at the track. Good little invite. Just need to supply the in car cameras for the day but I get to drive too and some instructing.

uncle erne

18-08-2011, 01:52 PM

Listy
Mate try these guys if you haven't already, www.fuelcontrol@bigpond.com.au Guys name is Brett Thompson mob 0427 318 033, he supply's e85 to the v8 supercars and has 108 octane and will supply anywhere in Australia.
cheers

choppo

18-08-2011, 07:43 PM

Listy = remove Propane and get back to engine fires on 'petrol'.

fatas

18-08-2011, 09:43 PM

Listy = remove Propane and get back to engine fires on 'petrol'.

im with him ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :eyes::bow:

GTS Listy

19-08-2011, 10:03 AM

I hear you. E85 yes. Not petrol other than to start.

The mechanic said at least 2 weeks before he will finish it. He is booked out for the next week and a bit. Oh well been this long no big deal.

All the stuff I dont need from the second hand motor and my old engine that is good I might just fleebay it. The heads are stuffed from the old engine unless you recondition them but even then they have been shaved so not much meat left.

GTS Listy

26-08-2011, 02:22 PM

The engine and fixed up gearbox is going in next week. The plan is to have it all tuned and up and going by the mid sept meet. Back into it.
The engine I got was around 290rwkw through a big stalled auto so hopefully it will go well through a manual and 8TB intake. Should make more than the 265 odd from my old engine that run out of puff at 5500rpm.
I have the new 5th gear ratio, better engine and different shifter too so hopefully some gains there.

There is a 1200cc radical up here now on slicks and the supercharged lotus has gone flash wide slicks too. New best (so called) street car class time is 1.21.69 now. Took my old record by 0.4 of a second. The lotus has the record now.
I wont run slicks bit I need to find about 1/2 sec a lap to get up there with them. Hopefully a engine that is not bashing valves on pistons will help.

One bloke in a VY clubby went from 1.25s down to 1.21.9 with just a engine change. Went from the 5.7 L to a big cammed with head work 6.0 L98 (around 355+rwkw). Power certainly can help. He seems to average mid 1.23 still but did one blinder lap blinder last round. Some weight is out of the car but still street car with the same tyres as I run. Dam good result.

ghz28

26-08-2011, 06:12 PM

Seems like things are coming along for you again Listy. So the Lotus gets a street car record on slicks, seems contra to the meaning of street car. Here at least in timeattack you have to run semis in street class, slicks = race class.

GTS Listy

27-08-2011, 09:55 AM

Glad things are moving again. Little over waiting for the flash engine but all in good time. This will do the job ok for a bit and when I am finished with it I will get it fitted to the Nissan 300zx. (another project but not for a while)

The record is kinda strange as it is supposed to be streetcar class but as they have no other catorgies it is run what you bring and what ever is fastest gets the record. Just a unwritten thing. The radical would blitz everyone with a more experienced driver anyway. It is a handful for him but he will get quicker in no time. I think he needs one of those flash gearboxes you were talking about as missing gears seems to be a big issue.

ghz28

27-08-2011, 10:07 AM

Ok on the record thing not much you can do then other than get some decent slicks and have a crack.

The Radical as you say could quickly drop times to within a few seconds of the V8's times in the right hands given their times on other tracks. Faster at EC, 4 seconds slower at QR etc. I go to Sydney to collect mine next week.

uncle erne

27-08-2011, 04:27 PM

Listy
What 300ZX have you got, is it a current sport sedan or something you have built yourself.
Cheers

GTS Listy

29-08-2011, 09:02 AM

Listy
What 300ZX have you got, is it a current sport sedan or something you have built yourself.
Cheers

It is a 84 300 zx. There is a conversion kit available from the US that you can buy. Fits a fits via a ls1 and T56 with a later model diff.

uncle erne

29-08-2011, 05:11 PM

Good friend of mine has a 300ZX sport sedan that he is not racing now as has just build an Aston Martin SS and will probably have it at the Muscle Car Masters next weekend, which is fathers day so I'm not allowed to go as it's fathers day and you have do something with the family apparently
Cheers

ShylanMotorsport

29-08-2011, 08:19 PM

I just take dad every fathers day Erne.....

GTS Listy

09-09-2011, 07:44 PM

The GTS is back on the road again as of this arvo. Blowing lots of smoke but that id due to the radiator fluid in the cats. It will clear out soon. I is running fine and seems all good.

I am catching up with a mate with EFI and will doa internet tune with Oztrack to get it sorted for the different cam and change the TPS tune to kick in at 3000 rpm instead of 4000 now.

I have not reved it at all as I want to check the tune first.

Also there is no shifter as Mal wood must of forgot to put the lever in. It is just 1/2 a lever. At a bit of a loss why he sent it up without a lever unless you are supposed to make one or something. Still it is easy to change ever with a small lever. Noisier though without any gearbox boot and hot. Hopefully he sorts it quick on Monday

Dyno early next week and get it all sorted for next sundays racing.
Need to fix the fuel rails to make the supports stronger and tidy up the intake trays.

choppo

09-09-2011, 08:09 PM

The GTS is back on the road again as of this arvo. Blowing lots of smoke but that id due to the radiator fluid in the cats. It will clear out soon. I is running fine and seems all good

Not sure if you are serious?

I am catching up with a mate with EFI and will do a internet tune with Oztrack to get it sorted for the different cam and change the TPS tune to kick in at 3000 rpm instead of 4000 now.

Are you taking the piss here? You are eh? Please say you are not doing this and you posted in jest?

GTS Listy

09-09-2011, 10:45 PM

It does not blow smoke cold and the mechanic checked so just the cats. It will burn out he said. Engine is fine.They are full of green radiator fluid leftoveers. No other way to get the stuff out other than repace the cats.

What I mean is that my mate plugs into efi and get some drives around logged. Then email oztrack the tune and he adjusts as needed. Do a dyno run with real time efi next week via the internet and we will be in business.

I have checked on the LM2 and it all seems pretty close so just sort the timing and a quick touch and and it will be fine. No other tuners in this town will go near this car. They done want to know about it.
Oztrack has been fine. Not ideal but no other choice

GTS Listy

11-09-2011, 08:38 PM

Did some driving and got some tuning base logs done. The tune in there is pretty good and close to what it needs to be.
There is no more smoke now so clear as day. I have not really worked it hard as yet but will get some dyno time over the next few days to get the tune sorted and updated to suit the new cam. Wish it was as easy s down south by dropping in and getting some bloke to do it.

I am not a fan of the mal wood shifter at all. Yuck. It is sloppy, loose and very easy to miss third and you have to be careul going down gears not to get the wrong one. The rip shifter is just so much better.
Also bloody reverse pops out of gear too. Full rebuild is should not do tha and i told him that it did it. Pretty unimpreessed considering there is nothing I can do about it being up here

I sorted out a shifter lever today from a local performance shop. That part is good. If it was not for the warranty on a $2300 gearbox rebuild the rip shifter would be put back in.

Delft Maloo

11-09-2011, 11:00 PM

seeing as your having issues with gear selection and reverse popping out id be sending the box back and getting him to sort it out, this is his problem not yours:dunno:.

GTS Listy

12-09-2011, 10:50 AM

seeing as your having issues with gear selection and reverse popping out id be sending the box back and getting him to sort it out, this is his problem not yours:dunno:.

I am sending him a email so it is documented and see what the go is with freight and warranty. It is not a big issue just something that should of been fixed as he was told about it.

VYII

12-09-2011, 06:39 PM

I sorted out a shifter lever today from a local performance shop. That part is good. If it was not for the warranty on a $2300 gearbox rebuild the rip shifter would be put back in.

Mal harped on to me about the Ripshifter hurting the box and his shifter being the way to go. I tuned out for a bit.
Either way, put the rip back on and if it does break within the warranty period, drop the box, refit his shifter and freight the box down to him. ;)

GTS Listy

14-09-2011, 01:59 PM

I got the car on the dyno yesterday and the afrs are out a bit still.

Dam nuisance as the LM2 O2 sensor must of shat itself when all the radiator fluid went down the exhaust when the old engine died. I have a new one on order but it makes it hard to get a good mail order / over the internet tune done.

It run up 265rwkw but the dyno man did not put it on shootout mode so with the humidy and 34 degrees it may of got more.

I am getting a new upload done toning with a couple of changes after the data from the dyno run so it should be pretty close now.

ghz28

14-09-2011, 05:54 PM

265, as you say is a bit middling, would expect more and no doubt you will get it. Yeah coolant will kill an AFR sensor, but, sometimes you can burn the crap off with oxy and still have a sensor, but as you have already ordered a replacement, ideal time to try that, no loss if it doesnt work.

GTS Listy

18-09-2011, 06:14 PM

Things went great today. Smashed my old PB by over 1/2 second. (also got the streetcar record back but not by much and on semi slicks too)
Best time for the day was a 1.21.60. I ran a couple of 1.21s for the day and all the rest low 1.22s. I bet my old record on the first lap from take off by almost a whole second. Strange that one. A low 1.28 lap with a standing start.

The end power was 269rwkw so on par with the last engine. Bit annoying but such is life considering it come out of a car with 290 through a auto.

The mal wood shifter missed third pretty bad and 4th you really have to jam in home but still works fine. Going back from 4th to 3rd a bit of a miss and hit game too. I will make improvements there next outing.

THe other thing even with the new low 5th gear ratio and I am down about 7km/h down the straight. Strange as I should be on par or faster. Scratching my head on that one.
The car seem to be more controlable out of corners and I found I could put power down mid corner and near full pedal. Guess that had to do with the new sway bay or different engine power deliveyr from the cam. Corner speed and grip is near extraordinary for a 2 tonne car.

Either way, yes faster by a pretty good margin. No issues and with the updated intake trays they work well without any issues.

So me very happy

I will get some photos of the trays up soon and of course some video.

ghz28

19-09-2011, 08:05 AM

Good to hear you back out and running again. Here's to a dry wet.

seldo

19-09-2011, 10:22 AM

The end power was 269rwkw so on par with the last engine. Bit annoying but such is life considering it come out of a car with 290 through a auto.
Tony - stop trying to be different for the sake of being different, and get rid of the bloody gas. You don't think that if it was such a good idea that someone else would have done it long ago?

ShylanMotorsport

19-09-2011, 10:55 AM

I like the fact that its different but i think the gas is a little left field. The problem is that not many people know (if any) what to do with it to get power.....

seldo

19-09-2011, 11:02 AM

Tony - stop trying to be different for the sake of being different, and get rid of the bloody gas. You don't think that if it was such a good idea that someone else would have done it long ago?I gather there are probably some sponsorship issues at play here, but there's ways around that. Just because Mark Webber is sponsored by Red Bull, surely you don't think he actually drinks the stuff - probably just carries around an empty can....wink, wink, - like I said - he probably just carries around an empty can.... Think about it...

GTS Listy

19-09-2011, 11:23 AM

Understand and yes there is sponsorship issue involved. Once E85 is up here I will change over to that. The sponsors are cool with that.

It saves me a stack of money having sponsors on board so I will play along. I like the idea of LPG as a daily driver too as it is so cheap to run.

I am getting some logs done over the coming weeks to spend some time finding where the limiting factor is and get it addressed. Wont make power above 5500 and there is always a reason.

The car is quicker so I am very happy but like anyone I want more power. Really for a 2 tonne car with ok running gear, brakes etc but nothing over the top and only 269rwkw it goes pretty good. The fella in the red clubby has near on 100 extra rwkw, 250kg lighter and the my old car is near 1/2 sec faster and much much more consistent faster and not one off fast laps.

I will sort it and find some mumbo.

ShylanMotorsport

19-09-2011, 12:51 PM

GTS Listy

19-09-2011, 01:19 PM

I dont mean to offen with this comment Tony but do you think you will get the shits with this project mate?

It has been a very long road and maybe it would have been more cost effective buying or building a designated race car?

Just standing on the outside thats all....

Not interest in that at all. The road is long as I do bits at a time but I do it as a hobby so noting over the top.

Cost per extra KW would be mad $. Close to $20k for a extra 15 rwkw. Stock the car run 245rwkw so a good healthy engine for sure. Other than the usual exhaust intake etc when I first spent a decent amount on the engine for the cam, springs, 8Tb intake etc the shop said it made 320rwkw. The car has never run over 270 odd rwkw anywhere else. The 320rwkw was on a mainline too but down the road at chevs it made 265.
Also after it went to chevs it went back to APS to get checked and it run up a 315rwkw again on their dyno so go figure.

I complain but all pretty cruisy about it all being up here.

ShylanMotorsport

19-09-2011, 01:55 PM

Fair call....maybe that one dyno just like your car? lol....

seldo

19-09-2011, 03:30 PM

BigJim

19-09-2011, 04:22 PM

Listy why don't you get the racing E85 in 205L drums and change to it straight away. Ive got 205L of E85 race blend i buy and its like $450 a drum. You are guaranteed its around 110 Octane E85, it also has a anti corrosion inhibitor in it to. Stored correctly it will last 8 to 10 months for a 205L drum. Might be worth considering, as i wouldn't use the pump E85 for a race car as its to inconsistent.

GTS Listy

20-09-2011, 04:41 PM

Jim

The deal to get E85 up here in drums with a few others fell through. I have changed the fuel lines and set the car up for e85 when it happens. Still will need a clean out and all the rest.

Some videos and photos. I set the Gforce too sensitive so it broke up the videos into separate lots when it exceeded the setting. I have not edited yet but will over the coming days and put them together.
The RaceVid OBD2 is pretty neat bit of kit. You can change the display to show different OBD2 information. I have a roll cage mount coming too so it can be placed on the main hoop. The battery voltage on the system needs work so ignore the max of 13.1 volts display. It is charging fine.

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http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/IMG_0928.jpg

Good old Iphone not quite up to the task at 190km/h

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Getting whooped off the line by a awd

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ghz28

21-09-2011, 12:48 PM

Hi Tony,

I can't believe how different your car sounds to mine. Maybe its just the fact that I rev mine to 6800 or more (hard cut is 7200 rpm) through the gears and have 3.9 diff gears vs I think you are running 4.11s. I guess though if you are not making good power beyond 5500 at the moment for whatever reason no sense revving further.

This is a short bit of video from the Shannons Muscle Car Showdown at QR in June, the first red led comes on at 6800 and is 207 km/h in 4th and 168 in third from memory with the tyres I was running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zMDOeojlPs

The blue VT is similar spec to my car engine wise, and the white one is a 5.7.

I am glad we don't do that sort of short supersprint events here, seems my tyres take a lap and a half to get up to temperature so I would have no chance of going anywhere near as quick as I do here, my quickest laps seem to be laps 3 or 4 of 5. Maybe that is just how I have learned to drive it though.

At least you are back out there for the new season, but you do need to sort out why it won't produce power beyond 5500. Is that on LPG, does the system flow enough to go beyond those rpm?

GTS Listy

21-09-2011, 03:03 PM

Garry, Cheer for that. I have plenty of time to get the logs done now which is great. A answer will be available soon.

Some photos of another one of the cars out there. Plenty of get up in that and around 350rwkw supercharged. The bloke is still getting the hang of circuit racing so will get quicker soon

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/Snapshot285.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/Snapshot284.jpg

taztassio

21-09-2011, 05:07 PM

Very nice mate.

I was looking for those photos of your spacers and the overguards. Can you link me to your photobucket?

CHeers

GTS Listy

21-09-2011, 09:50 PM

There is a heap of photos on there. Maybe 1000 plus.

http://s277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/

THe old spacers and the fibro guards are all there somewhere,. I still have the guards up here and never got around to installing the. I belive the fibro guards may have rego issues but never looked into it.
The give 10mm extra width and have the scoops in the side s would look pretty good done right.

The spacers were sold on ebay but were the proper hubcentric type

taztassio

22-09-2011, 11:03 PM

thanks mate

GTS Listy

26-09-2011, 01:16 PM

Slightly different intake tray set up. All one peice and just slides into place now and I slip the trumpets over the throttles. Much easier and better set up. The top cover is not shown. I have made up some filters for the top too to get more air in there and utilize the scoop in the bonnet.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk77/HSVListy/101_5579.jpg

GTS Listy

23-10-2011, 09:20 PM

It was round 6 at the track today and all went well. Won the day which was good.
Not as fast as last time but the tyres and some camber issues were the only reason. It was a stinker and cars were dropping out through out the day from temp issues. Just so glad the GTS is right for these temps now.
I took a bit of angle off the rear wing to pick up some straight line speed and I picked up about 5 to 6km/h atleast.

The camber the tyre bloke set was off for some reason. Not sure why he put so much on it but it looked funny when I picked up the car but through nothing of it (I think around -6 degrees drivers and the normal -4 passenger). At the end of race three the drivers front tyre had delaminated and was through to the metal on the outer edge. I swapped it for the back on and finished the day.
The understeer was really bad all day and it was pretty obvious why. I will hit the tyre bloke up tommorrow to see what went wrong and why it was not on my normal settings (killed a good tyre out if it)

Best lap for the day was a 1.22.1 which I am wrapped with considering the understeer. The extra speed down the straight would of made up a bit. The average for the day was in the low 1.22s up until the last round due to the shagged tyre but managed some low 1.24s still

I have a spare tyre for the last round in a month so it will be fine.

I will uploads some videos over the coming days.

One no good point for the day a bloke with a new evo hit the wall and plenty of damage front and rear. ( i got it on video)
A porshe 911 similar thing happened to on the last round so in two rounds of racing proberbly 80k damage. Both hard wall hits and front and rear

GTS Listy

24-10-2011, 01:48 PM

I am working from home so dont have access to the great high speed uploads anymore so the videos are reduced res by heaps

I did not miss the start either. The bloke next to me should of stayed. Gave me somone else to chase so all good.

Also big sorry for the dam beeping. Gforce alert was on and should be off for racing.

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This the the poor evo driver. He told me it was ok to put up and wanted a copy too

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ShylanMotorsport

24-10-2011, 02:26 PM

Congrats on the time mate!
But there is obviosuly heaps more left in it as you look bored with your arm on the window sill mate! :stick:
Only joking mate.....

Bad for the evo driver...but he must of known the risk!

GTS Listy

24-10-2011, 05:01 PM

I know there is more in the car and possibly me but just not worth pushing it. I have seen too many cars go off to even go there. The track was pretty slippery in the early parts of the day too and we were out first. We had a first rain a couple of day before so water dirt washed over the track for the first time in months.

The evo driver did tell me afterwards that he had brand new semi slicks on and it was the first time he had ever used them so maybe he did not scrub them in. Not sure. Bloody aweful when crashes happen.

Here is another video without the beeps. More budget system but does well. Great sound from these and very close to what the GTS sound like inside. Very noisy intake you are hearing not the exhust.
You can hear the lovely 1 to 2nd crunch on the gearbox which is another thing that is starting to happen now (on top of it hard to get into 1st from a standstill and reverse potting out). Not a good rebuild but it will do for the next while and I have zero interest taking the car off the road again for warranty. I have got used to the Mal Wood shifter now so will keep it. M12 gearbox brand new next time no question. No more rebuilding.

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GTS Listy

25-10-2011, 09:37 PM

Bit of feedback. The Camber was a extra -1 degree but that is not that much. The info the tyre man said was that others were winding about the same slippery surface and extra tyre wear. Must of been the rains washing dirt and all the rest over the track.

Anyway I have a old spare tyre so it will do for the next meet. The wet season break is on after that so nothing until late feb and will have new tyres by them anyway.

GTS Listy

02-11-2011, 12:22 PM

I pulled my old engine down yesterday and found my so called custom big cam. As exprected an off the shelf cam but it was a baby.

So much for big. It is a Howards 222 - 225 at 112. Lift is .561 - .581.

The cam in the replacement engine is bigger at 228 228 and .590 lift.

I have to get the duel manley springs out now. Have to buy a spring removal tool but hopefully they are cheap.

The next meet is on the 20th novenmber. It is a family day so there is some rides going on that day too.

That is it until late feb.

GTS Listy

20-11-2011, 10:27 PM

I had the last outing before the wet season shut down. Good day but ended early due to a flat. The track was just tearing up the tyres and ended up poping one. Not fussed as they were gone anyway.

THe car was all good in other wise and again it was a stinker. It was 15 minute sessions but both ended after about 6 or 7 laps. 1st was the exhaust mount rubber broke and the second was the tyre blowout. It acutally went POP.

Good day and the passengers had fun.

GTS Listy

25-11-2011, 01:00 PM

Bit of video. Bit boaring but gets better and slowing catching up with the Prosport. That thing is so noisy that you can hear it in my car with the window up even when it is 100 meters ahead.
This is edited video as no high speed uploads atm.
I had passengers so no going flat out on the day.

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I had another camera but I set it wrong and got the dam white out affect. I will put it up anyway when it is downloaded.

GTS Listy

25-11-2011, 03:03 PM

As you can see not much good due to the wrong setting but the sound is good though until the wind buffering hits it. I will fix the setting and try again.
Starts at 1.00 mark and ends when i had the tyre blowout. After that is is just a slow lap.

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GTS Listy

13-01-2012, 04:21 PM

Back from holidays so happy new year to all.

I did around 4500km over a 3 week period and managed to stay at 11 different places over the time. Bit of a relies cartch up and bits of family catch up too. Had a ball and very relaxing.

I hired a SV6 to see if it was worth upgrading to a new car for the family but decided not my or the familys cup of tea. Few things did not appleal and the avalanche is such a good all rounder so i am keeping it for a couple more years. i will spend some money on it and do it up a bit too. Nothing crazy.

The plans for the GTS are very small so just some basic aero changes, new tyres and a good service. I will be chasing around for sponsorship over the coming weeks so see how things go.

The old sponsoship is staying put for a while as it is not worth ripping it all off.

New job starting next week so I may be a bit more quiet over the coming months but still will be around and will be still hooking into the camera systems and trackers.

Cheers
Listy

GTS Listy

22-01-2012, 09:52 PM

I did a motorkhana today. Totally hopeless. I put semi slicks on the back thinking they were stuffed and I could just burn them up. Street tyres were left on the front.

It was shocking as the back tyres gripped like mad, the front tyres just pushed straight ahead due to the tight diff and rubbish road tyres so it was almost impossible to even have fun.
Next time I will put the bad 17s wheels on the back and some semi slick 18s on the front. Should fix it.

Couple of vids. Bad I know but I left a couple of cones still up. The vids may take a bit to start so skit forward if you want.

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GTS Listy

03-03-2012, 09:20 PM

It will be a pretty quiet year for me this year. I picked up a reasonable sponsership deal so it covers tyres, brake pads and running cost for the season which is great. No mods etc covered but not planning on any this year anyhow.

The company is Blastcorp that do sand blasting and a bunch of other specialised stuff like power coating and the like. Bit from the mechanic shop too which is always good. I am arranging the decals and the like over the coming 6 weeks but he is in no rush as I explained I have a new job.

So new tyres this year will be Hankook Z221 in full rear and medium fronts. The category we are going in has changed they way they are running so it is back against the clock not not just the fastest and most consistant wins.
Also I am just tidying up the intake tray a bit and putting some under car trays to help the aero a bit. I dont have anything at the moment even for the front spoiler so hopefully it makes a differance.

So just plodding along this year so pretty relaxed really. So much time on my hands now with zero weekend work now. Still adjusting to it. I even went and did some driver instructing on the weekend with a couple of ladies so first time in ages I have dont that.

Delft Maloo

03-03-2012, 09:26 PM

whats up with your motor? did you end up ordering the built 6ltr?

GTS Listy

03-03-2012, 11:59 PM

whats up with your motor? did you end up ordering the built 6ltr?

That went south after the redunancy last year. The sponsors were going part costs in the new engine around 50/50. Lost a bit of money due to cancelling as some bits were already done like the head were already complete ready to go fully ported heads. The old sponsor paid for some and I paid some too so a bit of money down the drain. Nuisance but such is life.

I got a second hand engine off Ls1. com. I left the cam in it and it had all the usual bits already done.

Basics it is now
243 heads
Same 8TB intake set up
Double valve springs and the usual other bits to look after a cam
228/228 at 580 lift or and 112 lsa
Double row chain and upgraded oil pump
Sump baffle Improved Racing type
Oztrack tune over the internet
Same exhaust 1 3/4 with twin 2.5 inch

Other change was rebuit gear box with Mel Wood upgraded bit and low ratio 5th and 6th gear.
Also Mel wood shifter (which I have fully got used to now and now actually very happy with it)

Power is 264rwkw so about on par power wise. Same issue with the old engine that it does not make power over 5500 rpm. Some bug in there somewhere stopping it making power

The gearbox, driveline etc is all build and set up to run with lots more n/a power so one of these days it may happen but not for awhile now.

GTS Listy

04-03-2012, 03:23 PM

I have a couple of videos from pactice on the weekend. Only on stree tyres as you can tell.

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More budget focused kit. Around $120 for full roll cage kit

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GTS Listy

06-04-2012, 11:37 AM

Well the march race meet has been cancelled, now the dam April meet has gone the same way. Pretty stuffed really. Track repairs for the superbikes is the reason.
We have one meet in May,then the supercars are up here so we cant get on the track until July.

I think I need a drag racing car to keep me keen. My car is rubbish at drag racing and just not much fun trying to lug that weight down a straight.
Might bring the Nissan 300zx project forward a bit and instead of a motorkhana car make it a mad drag car instead. Homework time I think.

Going a bit dry with the GTS atm. Not overly keen to continue mods so it will just stay as. I have no hope passing the medical so IP racing is off the books. I may look at another type of circuit car that is just outright fast and not much to do with classes etc. Safe still though.
I have some sheets here for the undertray kit but I am finding it a total pain without a hoist to constatly measure and get it right. It will take ages to get right at this stage.

We will see how things go. Plod on

Delft Maloo

06-04-2012, 11:51 AM

Motivation can be very hard to find at times hey, my maloo has been sitting up on stands in my dads driveway for the last year with no engine,brakes,gearbox and diff it. I have all the gear for it to go back in but just not the time and motivation.
Just keep chugging along.
Idear put the ls motor in the 300zx and strip the hell out of it to make it as light as possible.

GTS Listy

04-05-2012, 08:58 PM

Interesting story today. Rang up tyrepower to book the car in for the brand new tyres to get fitted so all good I thought. The lady at the desk said she sold a set yesterday so no more in stock. She sold them to a bloke doing the powercruise and they are for his burnout car. (I have a racing in the 14th and ordered these about 6 weeks ago)l.She said the bloke saw the tyres in the window and paid cash litterly. $2500 for 4 burnout tyres.

So after I got the boss on the phone he said there is no way they can get the tyres up here on time.

I got on the phone and rang and rang and found SA motorsport had one set of Hankook Z221 in stock in soft compound. Paid on the spot and they are on a truck as we speak. Expected here on Thursday for fitting Friday. I was impressed by them.

Now you would say the lady behind should get a talking too but it was the bosses daughter so he let if go and she did not know they were my set aside so his bad. She was very proud to sell them at the time.
(note that tyre power is my sponsor so they paid for these anyway so no actual cost. They are refunding me for the Hankooks which is dam fantastic)

GTS Listy

10-05-2012, 10:02 PM

Well looking forward to this weekend. Finially getting back on the circuit.

New Hankooks are on and bit of a suprise as the side walls are a good 1cm or a bit higher. Real close to the front guards. It will be fine as their is still about 2 cm room until it hits and the suspension is very hard.
Steering is increadibly light and like finger light. Feels good and a bit of stress of the steering is a good thing

I will see how things go. It is back to streetcar shootout mode so one warm up and three laps at speed. No more starting from the start finish which is a bit of a shame as I liked the outlap. Most consistant wins again so time to watch them lines and brake points.

GTS Listy

14-05-2012, 10:44 PM

Not much luck on the weekend. Power steering pump let go on practice so I did 3 races without power steering. On the 4th one of the lines cracked and leaked on the extractors and woohoo lots of smoke and pretty scary. No issue with fires etc so got a tow and went home in the back of a toe truck

The new format was not run right as they were supposed to let the fastest out first but they let the most consistant out first so within 1/4 a lap we caught up with the slower cars. They should fix it next round.

I managed a 1.22 flat which is really good considering I never got a clear lap and had to over take. Can not really give much on the new Hankooks as I never really got a chance to push them and without power steering it is extremly hard to get a smooth entry and exit.

Next race is now end of July so long wait once again. Also I was in abit of a rush to get the extinguisher out so I forgot to shut off the cameras so they just recorded me being towed and then 1 hour of the bonnet. Oh well

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20-05-2012, 02:05 PM