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35R
04-12-2008, 10:08 AM
So, anyone care to ponder affects on Holden if GM implodes?

- is Holden linked to GM in any critical financial sense?

- Holdens exports are branded under GM right? If the GM brand goes belly-up how would that affect things?

On the brink: GM begs for $6b immediately
Date: December 04 2008

GENERAL MOTORS will drastically cut jobs, factories, brands and executive pay in a desperate effort to persuade the US Congress to give it $US12 billion ($18.6 billion) in loans to stave off a financial collapse.

In a plea for emergency aid, GM said it needed $US4 billion ($6.2 billion) in immediate loans to stay in business after this month, and another $US8 billion to carry it through the first part of next year.

Without help, the nation's largest car maker could topple into insolvency within weeks and drag down the other two members of Detroit's troubled Big Three. The company said it needed $US10 billion in federal loans to keep running through to March, another $US2 billion for the balance of 2009 and a $US6 billion line of credit in additional support beyond that.

"The first $US4 billion is crucial," GM's president, Frederick Henderson, said.

The revelation that GM is on the verge of running out of cash lends urgency to discussions this week among politicians on whether to bail out the Detroit car makers. The chief executives of GM, Ford and Chrysler are scheduled to be in Washington today and tomorrow for hearings on their requests for assistance.

New figures showed US car sales plunged 37 per cent in November to the lowest annual rate in 26 years as the recession and the pleas for aid from the car makers kept buyers out of showrooms.

GM sales tumbled 41 per cent, the second fall of that size in as many months. Ford sales fell 31 per cent and Toyota's 34 per cent, the most since at least 1980, while Chrysler's 47 per cent slide was the worst since 1981.

While GM forecast a dire situation if it is unable to secure government assistance, Ford said it could survive for now without federal aid, although it asked for up to $US9 billion in loans should the US vehicle market continue to deteriorate.

Chrysler, the smallest of the Detroit companies, asked Congress for a $7 billion loan before the end of December to ward off a potential bankruptcy.

GM is rapidly running out of time.

Without government aid, GM would be unable to keep operating and probably be forced into bankruptcy reorganisation.

"Absent support, frankly the company simply cannot fund its operations," Mr Henderson said.

The House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said she had discussed a bail-out package with President George Bush on Monday and she raised the possibility of some sort of announcement from the White House. She offered no hint of what the announcement might be, but said bankruptcy was not a viable option.

To get the loans, GM is taking an axe to its money-losing North American operations from top to bottom.

GM said it planned to focus on four core brands - Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick and GMC - and either sell, eliminate or consolidate the Saturn, Saab, Hummer and Pontiac brands.

Despite having radically reduced its operations in the last three years, GM said it would cut another 20 per cent of its factories and jobs, seek to renegotiate the terms of $US66 billion in debt, and push to re-open contract talks with the United Auto Workers to reduce labour costs.

The cutbacks will extend into the executive ranks as well. GM's chairman, Rick Wagoner, and its board members will reduce their compensation to $US1 in 2009. Both GM and Ford said they would sell their corporate jets.

GM, which has lost more than $US20 billion this year, revealed in October that it was burning through more than $US2 billion in cash a month and would fall below the minimum level required to run its business by year end.

Last month Mr Wagoner, along with the chief executives of Ford and Chrysler, were grilled during two days of congressional hearings in Washington about their request for a combined $US25 billion in federal loans. At the hearings, the companies were criticised for failing to fix their long-term business models and stay competitive with foreign car makers.

Mr Wagoner, as well Ford's chief executive, Alan Mulally, and Chrysler's chairman, Robert Nardelli, were also taken to task for the size of their salaries and the fact that they had flown to Washington in corporate jets.

- New York Times and Bloomberg

235rwkw
04-12-2008, 03:19 PM
Well they own GMH, so someone would need to setup GMH stand alone.

With some sort of dealer network they could still export.

problem is the platform, motor, gearboxes are all GM. if they disappear then that's a problem. GMH could start making their own, but they too are struggling and not far behind GM, probably where GM were a year or so ago.

So i spose they could buy toyota motors... although HSV could go for that Audi V10 twin turbo motor.

The end is near, bailout for GM, well is that just going to delay it for a couple of years and waste all that money ? what are GM going to do differently so if bailed out to remain profitable?

35R
04-12-2008, 10:33 PM
interesting. what does "platform" mean? don't holden have the platform locally?

Maybe they could whack some turbo's on the Alloytech, if gm stop making the V8 motors.........

235rwkw
05-12-2008, 08:35 AM
platform belongs to GM its their world wide chassis, we use it don't own it do we?

IF GM went i suppose so do the rights anyway or GMH being a surviving part (if they do) would get the rights.

Govt's not bailing them out so far as they just wanted the money with no real plan how to be profitable and pay it back. They just want a handout.

would you give them the money if you had it? very risky investment that one.

35R
05-12-2008, 02:24 PM
To be honest i have no idea what constitutes a "platform", i suppose heaps of "legalease" - beyond hardware on the ground actually making the stuff.

Anyway an announcement today from the treasurer, regarding finance woes (re GE and GMAC pulling out of australia) and how to deal with it...

*DJ Australia's Swan: Major Banks To Set Up Auto Fin SPV
SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--Australian Treasurer Wayne Swan announced Friday the country's big four banks will set up a special purpose vehicle to provide financial support to the beleaguered car industry.
The move comes after both GMAC and GE Money exited the domestic car financing market amid the worsening global financial crisis. Their absence has put massive stress on the industry and threatened many car dealers with the possibility of bankruptcy.
Swan said in a statement that a financing trust worth around A$2 billion will be established to provide liquidity to car dealer financiers through the securitization of eligible loans.
The SPV, which will be implemented by Jan. 1, will be guaranteed by the Commonwealth government. It will operate for 12 months.
The decision comes after talks with Commonwealth Bank of Australia, National Australia Bank Ltd., Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Ltd. and Westpac Banking Corp.

35R
12-12-2008, 03:08 PM
Not looking good…

* Dollar dives below 89 yen, hits 13-year low
* U.S. Senate fails to reach compromise on auto rescue deal

By Kaori Kaneko
TOKYO, Dec 12 (Reuters) - The dollar hit a 13-year low
against the yen on Friday after the U.S. Senate failed to
agree on a bailout for U.S. automakers. [ID:nN09294627]
The U.S. Senate failed on Thursday night to reach a
last-ditch compromise to bail out U.S. automakers, effectively
killing any chance of congressional action this year.
The $14 billion legislation officially died in the Senate
late on Thursday after supporters failed to get enough support in
a procedural vote.
"It has become really severe for the prospect of the bailout
plan," said Mitsuru Sahara, senior manager at Bank of
Tokyo-Mitsuibishi UFJ.
Traders said there were fewer market participants, making
market swings larger, pushing the dollar below 89.00 yen for the
first time in 13 years.
The dollar fell as low as 88.40 yen <JPY=>, the lowest since
1995.
The euro declined 0.4 percent to $1.3313 <EUR=>.
Keywords: MARKETS FOREX


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