Improved prod gemini

[ShylanMotorsport]

Hey guys, heres a few photos of the car.

http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/WCA_3838-1.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/WCA_3849.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/n590569017_1219348_41891.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/n590569017_1219469_58061.jpg

[Dan_]

Are you going to be running at Oran Park in round 3 of the NSW IPRA? There is a guy on here, i think his username is choppo or something. He races in it i think, he isnt that great though so even your gemini could beat his 6L commodore. IMO of course

[.charged.]

gday mate we need some specs on your car ??? are you running a toyota 3s in it or a isuzu motor. Ashley Birks from your home state runs a gem with a 3s and its a absolute weapon.

Cheers
John

[Duffman]

gday mate we need some specs on your car...

Agreed. Where's smileHAT when you need him? I need a 'this thread is worthless without specs' smilie :D

[DaveHAT]

Go the GeneralEletricMINI! :D

Welcome mate ... I almost bought one of these late last year except with the round headlights.

1 owner, still registered, plastic still on the rear seats, original spare :shock: & 60000km since 1980! :faint:

Apparently my argument re: it's collective value wasn't persuasive enough.

[ShylanMotorsport]

Sorry guys,
Hadn't thought of specs yet.
Its still running a Isuzu motor. 2 litre single cam, twin 48mm downdraught webbers.... makes just over 140 rwhp.
5 speed diesel box...(stronger and better ratios)
early commodore calipers on the front and commodore drums rear,
locked diff.
obviously running the advans.
Koni rear shocks bilstein fronts.
Times: wakefield 1:12.74
oran gp 1:26.9
oran south 52:9
eastern creek 1:58
its not the quickest thing out but its good fun.

[seldo]

They are a great little car - pretty bullet-proof. I had several and enjoyed some great fun with them - one was good enough for a class win at Bathurst.
Just one thing that is crucial - you need to really lock-up the front diff mount so it is almost rock-solid, otherwise when you get to 7000rpm in top they get a whip in the tailshaft that tends to reef the back out of the gearbox... :shock:
1.12 around Wakefield is pretty respectable - that's not much slower than the Lotus Elise's were doing there in the Chance of a Lifetime series

[.charged.]

They have that torque tube type tailshaft ?? or can it be changed for a conventional one. I race with a guy that has a gemi as well http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/50%20d_perry.htm, his is a class C 2000cc-3000cccar but probably isnt as developed as yours. You heading to PI for the nationals in November ?

Nice car mate

[seldo]

They have that torque tube type tailshaft ?? or can it be changed for a conventional one.

Yes - that's right. Don't know if it can be changed...

[Kyle]

Great car mate! :)

[ShylanMotorsport]

My car is far from developed!
But it is fun and is reasonably quick for what it has.
Yeah that torque tube rubber mount does move around a bit under hard braking, I'm not revving this thing that hard so i dont have that issue, this thing makes its power a lot lower.
This year im only running the supersprint series due to a lack of time with work and a thousand other projects!, so i wont be at the nationals. maybe as a spectator hopefully!

[.charged.]

My car is far from developed!
But it is fun and is reasonably quick for what it has.

A guy I race with went to wakefeild in his Honda Civic a month a ago and he was in the 1.11.4 in the race, his car has every bit of honda spoon stuff on it and waxes me round the local track, so if your doing 1.12.7 it isnt to far off the pace. A nice Toyota 3s beams engine and it would be a weapon in U2L IP.

Sadly the development cost $$$$ :(, for me to get to the next level I need about 40 more HP, close ratio box and bigger wheel/tyre(205/50/15 up from 185/60/13) bigger brakes (BA rotors, ser4 RX7 calipers) and something to get some better turn in and stop the plough I have got now :( , Im hoping the tyre upgrade will fix this

Hope to see you at the Nats mate, I may be racing hopefully but will be there crewing for the nephews, come over and say Gday :)

Cheers
John

[ShylanMotorsport]

Im the same John,
I get hosed at Eastern creek down the straight, i need better diff and gear ratios.
Wakefield and oran south circuit the car is good, but i find im in the wrong gears on the OP gp track and im just running outta puff at EC.
I would have loved a go at Amaroo with this car, unfortunately i was a bit young....i only ever did laps in passenger seats when dad was running ARDC driver training....:swear:
So our next step would be a big dollar operation to get maybe another 2 seconds out of the car,
so illjust keep running around and having a good time as it is!
ANd yeah for sure ill come say hi!

[.charged.]

So our next step would be a big dollar operation to get maybe another 2 seconds out of the car,


thats what Im looking at 3 secs for 10 or so grand :(, my cars the same mate, Im all over the guys under braking and corner speed but get hosed on the straight especially at Mallala, 2nd is too low, 3rd is too high out of the southern and northern that lead onto the straights

I would have loved a go at Amaroo with this car

My car has raced there but the previous owner has that honour :(

[ShylanMotorsport]

So what sort of set up are you running?

[seldo]

here's a couple of shots of two of my old cars.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminibathurst2.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminibathurst.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminiAmaroo.jpg

[.charged.]

So what sort of set up are you running?

Its a 4age 20v blacktop from a importer, t50 standard ratio box, t series diff from a celica with a 4.77 locker. Suspension wise notltec camber plates, homemade coilovers with MR2 aw 11 rear koni inserts and 300lb springs, rear is reset leaves with fiat 124 koni shocks

heres some more specs
http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/25%20j_sharp.htm

and specs of the other cars we race
the older brothers ke20 u1600 car (http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/77%20craig_sharp.htm)

my nephew robs ke30 over 2 litre car (http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/51%20r_sharp.htm)

my other nephew clints car ke55 over 2 litre car (http://www.iprasa.mx.com.au/cars/15%20c_sharp.htm)


here's a couple of shots of two of my old cars.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminibathurst2.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminibathurst.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminiAmaroo.jpg


The plot thickens seldo :) Come on mate I think its time for the life and times of Seldo thread :)

[aussie372]

here's a couple of shots of two of my old cars.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminiAmaroo.jpg

if you dont mind me asking what happened in this one... used to love the old amaroo track , except when when one of the guys my dads motor bike shop used to sponsor crashed and was killed coming down the back after exiting the loop..:cry: :cry:
cheers mark

[DaveHAT]

here's a couple of shots of two of my old cars.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t259/seldo_bucket/geminibathurst.jpg


Is that the Captain you've got in tow there Seldo?

Wasn't he Mr Cadbury Schweppes back in the day?

I agree ... time for some "This is you life" Seldo style.

[seldo]

The plot thickens seldo :) Come on mate I think its time for the life and times of Seldo thread :) :lol: No - I don't think so... :)
if you dont mind me asking what happened in this one... used to love the old amaroo track ...
cheers mark That was the the Suttons Twin cam 2 litre Gemini owned/built by George Shepheard and I'd just passed Tony Kavich's RX3 coming out of the "Stop/Go" corner at the bottom of Amaroo. As I passed him on the inside coming out of the corner he gave me a nudge on my LHR corner and put me into the wall. The car did a 'wall-of-death" act along the inside of the wall and then came back down on all 4, basically intact except for a stuffed steering rack and me with a broken radial scaphoid bone in my wrist. The tacho tell-tale showed a 9200 max rev, but the engine pulled-down like brand new.
Is that the Captain you've got in tow there Seldo?

Wasn't he Mr Cadbury Schweppes back in the day?

I agree ... time for some "This is you life" Seldo style. Yes it was the good Captain indeed. That was the car we won the class with that year - '79 I think. Janson is/was? a total madman. He used to work out of our premises occassionally and was a total complete lunatic in a car on the road. Fun to be with though... I recall one time he asked me to drop him at his unit in Darling Point and to wait for him in case he wan't successful in his endeavours... It turned out that he'd locked his keys in his unit and had walked to work because no car-keys. So, I watched as he conned some bird in the unit above to let him in, and then he shinned down the outside of the building from the 10th floor on some bed-sheets tied together and climbed in his own unit's balcony, let himself in, and drove back to the office in his own car....:shock: Totally mad!
And again - No "This is your life" thanks... :) I'll just toss you a morsel now and then... ;)
Unfortunately I don't have too many old photos - my first wife burned most of them...:eyes:

[ShylanMotorsport]

Hey Seldo,
That George shepard car is now owned by a man named Barry Thew.
He is on the state hillclimb panel.
Great shots,
I will try get a few of my dads old gemini at amaroo to post on here.
They were by far and away the glory days of motor racing!
I have a CDT car sittin in my back yard, we found it under a tree in the bush.
It has had a hard life. We would like to restore it to do targa but i think the shell has way to much rust........ we might just use all the bits (flares-splitters and bobtail) on our blue one.
I havent seen that car in the flesh (the number 7 car) but my dad has and he wants me to see it cause he says it is a work of mechanical art the way Sheppo built it!

[ShylanMotorsport]

Amaroo was pretty dangerous, in this months AMC magazine there is a story on it and Ivan Stibbard, there is a quote from Nelson Piquet and he described Amaroo as a mini Nurburgring!
My dad went past 2 Porsche's into stop go corner one day in the gemini, unfortunately the wall came up a bit to quick, gee i wonder why! But he tells a good story of it!
He still says "the look on the faces of the two guys as this gemini went past was priceless" "as he laughs"

[seldo]

Hey Seldo,
That George shepard car is now owned by a man named Barry Thew.
He is on the state hillclimb panel.
Great shots,
I will try get a few of my dads old gemini at amaroo to post on here.
They were by far and away the glory days of motor racing!
I have a CDT car sittin in my back yard, we found it under a tree in the bush.
It has had a hard life. We would like to restore it to do targa but i think the shell has way to much rust........ we might just use all the bits (flares-splitters and bobtail) on our blue one.
I havent seen that car in the flesh (the number 7 car) but my dad has and he wants me to see it cause he says it is a work of mechanical art the way Sheppo built it! Yes - it was beautifully built - mainly by my mate Peter Muir, now owner of Bond roll Bars. I last drove it at Bathurst in ...'81 I think. The car was actually sold a few weeks before the race on the condition that I still got the drive at Bathurst. It was sold to the Country Dealer Team blokes (who were trying to do a Gemini based HDT style operation) and co-driven with me by Gary ......I forget for the moment - but he was a Melbourne copper. Despite all the reports to the contrary, he was actually at the wheel when the car was involved in THE big incident at the top of the mountain when Morris and Gibson collided and precipitated multi-car pile-up and the red flag. The Gemini had, up until that point, escaped unmarked but was hit hard up the bum by Bartlett's #9 Camaro in the ensuing melee. I understand that it's now been fully restored to the same condition that it started the race that day. Would love to see it again.

[ShylanMotorsport]

It has been restored and it has been done very well!
Yeah the CDT cars were a smaller scale HDT operation, They ended up in big problems with the one P Brock.....he ended up pushing the CDT car into the fence at Sulman park when they were going through all the problems.
We have one of those CDT cars, I will take some photos of it...(its pretty sad) and i will post them up.
Unfortunately i was not even alive when that 81 race was on.
How ever i was at the other race that was red flagged 11 years later.
Bond roll bars still do the best cages! Would never go anywhere else!

[ShylanMotorsport]

thought id throw a few more pics from the other weekend.

http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/prev12.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/prev11.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/prev3.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/prev1.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/prev20.jpg

[ShylanMotorsport]

A few new pics of the car........slightly crossed up....
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00089.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00090.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00088.jpg
this one is not as close to the wall as dad or my uncle would like.......
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00082.jpg
these ones are just mid corner
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00087.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00080.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/DSC00086.jpg

[.charged.]

nice skid mate in pic 2 :)... you going to run at PI for the Nats ?

[Luke@WSP]

nice work matt.

You can see the 1158's working nicely, much to Barry's disgust !!! :lol:

[choppo]

nice skid mate in pic 2 :)... you going to run at PI for the Nats ?
What about Oran this weekend!!!!!??????

[ShylanMotorsport]

nice skid mate in pic 2 :)... you going to run at PI for the Nats ?

Have only been doin the supersprint championship this year.....maybe next year ill have a run in state ipra championship.

I'll try post the video of the slide up....

[ShylanMotorsport]

nice work matt.

You can see the 1158's working nicely, much to Barry's disgust !!! :lol:


Who wants Koni's for a Calibra anyway!:chuckle:

[choppo]

What about Oran this weekend!!!!!?????? Good opportunity to meet a few guys, talk to the NSW eligibilty officer (about you car if you have any questions) and generally get more of an insight...

[ShylanMotorsport]

Good opportunity to meet a few guys, talk to the NSW eligibilty officer (about you car if you have any questions) and generally get more of an insight...

Yeah i know a few of the guys running round there.....
The car just needs the bonnet scoop removed!
I cant make it this weekend. I will try and come out and say gday at the next round!

[ShylanMotorsport]

Well i hope this works..... this is the video of the "moment" from those pictures above!
Hope you guys enjoy!

URL=http://s733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/?action=view&current=GeminiOranPkRound12009012.flv]http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/th_GeminiOranPkRound12009012.jpg[/URL]

[ShylanMotorsport]

Maybe it wont.......lol :doh: :doh:
here is the direct link instead
http://s733.photobucket.com/albums/ww340/mattmattmattmatt1/?action=view&current=GeminiOranPkRound12009012.flv

[evil_weevil]

Looks like a fun car!!!
decent times out of it too!!

man, my 55.2 @ OP S seems slow now! :(

[ShylanMotorsport]

Looks like a fun car!!!
decent times out of it too!!

man, my 55.2 @ OP S seems slow now! :(

In what car did you do 55's? That is still pretty quick......

[.charged.]

nice work matt.

You can see the 1158's working nicely, much to Barry's disgust !!! :lol:

Mines the same mate koni sport aw11 rear struts up front and koni sport fiat 124 shocks on the rear.... the valving seems fine :)

[evil_weevil]

Was in my mx5!

[Luke@WSP]

Mines the same mate koni sport aw11 rear struts up front and koni sport fiat 124 shocks on the rear.... the valving seems fine :)
Koni's mate, one of the best shocks you can buy :)

[ShylanMotorsport]

Was in my mx5!

Mate that is plenty quick for a stock engine!

[.charged.]

Koni's mate, one of the best shocks you can buy :)

We run them in all 4 of our cars and never had a problem, some people love the bilsteins but I find the valving a little harsh

[ShylanMotorsport]

The gem has billy's in the front and Koni's in the rear.....
we havent had any problems!

[choppo]

I noticed the bonnet scoop and comments on blocking it off.... jsut out of interest, do you find much difference when you block it off??
I remember having a TG myself (road go-er) and remember on real cold nights it felt like it had 200hp LOL... that was without a scoop or tricky mods to the engine.
You find much diff when its blocked off?

[seldo]

I noticed the bonnet scoop and comments on blocking it off.... jsut out of interest, do you find much difference when you block it off??
I remember having a TG myself (road go-er) and remember on real cold nights it felt like it had 200hp LOL... that was without a scoop or tricky mods to the engine.
You find much diff when its blocked off? A mate had one with a huge turbo on it and it DID have something like 300hp - went like a dog shot in the arse!....while it went...:drivin: The manifolds used to melt off it...

[choppo]

A mate had one with a huge turbo on it and it DID have something like 300hp - went like a dog shot in the arse!....while it went...:drivin: The manifolds used to melt off it...

WOW... that would fly!... i remember a few guys jamming old 202's in the earlier models TX and the like... but they still wouldn't have 300hp and they were rockets!

[ShylanMotorsport]

I noticed the bonnet scoop and comments on blocking it off.... jsut out of interest, do you find much difference when you block it off??
I remember having a TG myself (road go-er) and remember on real cold nights it felt like it had 200hp LOL... that was without a scoop or tricky mods to the engine.
You find much diff when its blocked off?




It makes a massive difference! It runs downdraught webbers and the bonnet crushes the first sock......so it doesnt get enough air up high in the rev range.......but it throws me out of I.P......but i get flogged in that just like i do in sports sedans.......

[ShylanMotorsport]

A mate had one with a huge turbo on it and it DID have something like 300hp - went like a dog shot in the arse!....while it went...:drivin: The manifolds used to melt off it...


that would be fun Seldo!!!!!