Brock brake kits

[235rwkw]

heres a slightly cheaper alternative upgrade.

http://www.rdabrakes.com.au/prodinfo.htm

gold plated stock slotted rotors, upgrades level 1,2 and 3

[235rwkw]

level one is $1,700

[Pulse Red]

LEVEL 2 PERFORMANCE UPGRADE

BK 2 Fits VB?VY Front except VSII
? 2 Slotted 328mm x 28mm vented discs
? 2 Coloured AP 4 Piston Calipers
? 2 Stainless Steel Braided Hoses
? 1 Set of EBC Red Ceramic Performance Pads
? Aircraft Grade Fasteners & Mounting Brackets

BK 5 VB?VY Rear
? 2 Slotted 325mm x 24mm Vented Discs
? 2 Coloured AP Twin Piston Calipers
? 2 Stainless Steel Braided Hoses
? 1 Set of EBC Kevlar Performance Pads
? Aircraft Grade Fasteners & Mounting Brackets

Very Interesting. Would this be the first big brake kit for commodores that offers twin piston calipers for the rear? Do you know how much the level 2 kit costs?

[35R]

you can buy the brock brake kits on ebay through user onlineperformance

[RedVYIISS]

L3 F $4450 343 x 32 / AP 6 spot
L3 R $4050 328 x 24 / AP 4 spot

L2 F $3750 328 x 28 / AP 4 spot
L2 R $3250 325 x 24 / AP 2 spot

L1 F $1750 328 x 28 / 2 spot
L1 R $420 std six slotted

all above with EBC red stuff to suit and I think all had braided lines.

Don't look particularly cheap to me.

[Pulse Red]

That is not very competitive as far as pricing goes. I wonder if you can get the 2 spot rear AP calipers and brackets elsewhere? I think alot of people who are currently running the AP 4 spot front with stockers on the rear might find it an appealing upgrade.

[35R]

This is worth a look

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AP-RACING-BRAKE-KIT-COMMODORE-VB-VK-VL-VT-VX-HSV-SS_W0QQitemZ120063646692QQihZ002QQcategoryZ102360Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

If i was buiying a four-pot system now, I would try this kit (includes pads and braided hoses btw). However i would consider DBA5000 disc upgrade for the front, a few hundred more.

[Scotty]

I looked into those AP kits and the size and the pricing did not compete with the CSCs

[Pulse Red]

This is worth a look

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AP-RACING-BRAKE-KIT-COMMODORE-VB-VK-VL-VT-VX-HSV-SS_W0QQitemZ120063646692QQihZ002QQcategoryZ102360Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

If i was buiying a four-pot system now, I would try this kit (includes pads and braided hoses btw). However i would consider DBA5000 disc upgrade for the front, a few hundred more.

That is the kit and vendor I was refering to in my other thread on various brake options. If you could get the 2 pot AP rears with that kit I think it could be a good option. Alot of people I have spoken to who track race cars have told me AP brakes are the way to go if you are changing calipers. Brembo was the other option that kept coming up.

[35R]

That is the kit and vendor I was refering to in my other thread on various brake options. If you could get the 2 pot AP rears with that kit I think it could be a good option. Alot of people I have spoken to who track race cars have told me AP brakes are the way to go if you are changing calipers. Brembo was the other option that kept coming up.

Daniel

when i was shopping around, sydney race brakes told me they have matching AP rears (i think 4 pot) and they could do a package for $5k. If you're going to spend that sort of money check out the CSC stuff as Scotty suggests too.

[Pulse Red]

I have seen the kits with the AP 4 spot rears and yeah $5k was around the price range they seemed to be at. Similar money for the CSC kit when I spoke to Nick from NVU but larger discs. I was considering spending close to that but really wanted to keep it around $3000. Now I really havent seen anything that makes it all seem worthwhile. So as we were discussing I am going to try the ugly but cost effective option. However I did a heap of research and pricing on big brake kits so still enjoy talking about the subject :)

One thing that still puzzles me is why a car that does 80% of its braking must have 4 spots on the rear if using 4 spots on the front, why then when you go to 6 pots dont you need 6 pots on the rear? So many factory performance cars that run 4 pot fronts from the factory run 2 pot rears. None of the brake places have been able to explain this to me and I asked Harrop a number of times with no response. Someone more knowledgable may be able to explain it to me.

Also might interest people that it seems PBR are going to release a 4 spot kit for the commodore. This may fill the gap between the cheapo options and the more expensive kits from Harrop, AP etc .

[35R]

I have seen the kits with the AP 4 spot rears and yeah $5k was around the price range they seemed to be at. Similar money for the CSC kit when I spoke to Nick from NVU but larger discs. I was considering spending close to that but really wanted to keep it around $3000. Now I really havent seen anything that makes it all seem worthwhile. So as we were discussing I am going to try the ugly but cost effective option. However I did a heap of research and pricing on big brake kits so still enjoy talking about the subject :)

One thing that still puzzles me is why a car that does 80% of its braking must have 4 spots on the rear if using 4 spots on the front, why then when you go to 6 pots dont you need 6 pots on the rear? So many factory performance cars that run 4 pot fronts from the factory run 2 pot rears. None of the brake places have been able to explain this to me and I asked Harrop a number of times with no response. Someone more knowledgable may be able to explain it to me.

Also might interest people that it seems PBR are going to release a 4 spot kit for the commodore. This may fill the gap between the cheapo options and the more expensive kits from Harrop, AP etc .

Daniel if you look at the calipers on the 4 pot rears you will see they are smaller. So, at least in the case of the harrop setup, brake balance is achived/retained using smaller hardware on the rears, albeit 4-pot.

You might ask why harrop decided to go for the 343mm rotors on the rear as well; marketing reasons.. guys want their rear wheels filled out too. I got that from the horses mouth.

[PSI38L]

if you don't go with a really big front kit, you can just ugrade the front and do a pad/disc/line upgrade on the rear.

i had a 330mm (dba 5000 series) 4 piston (AP racing) kit on the front and std rears (just different pads) of my VY ss ute for a long time. with no problems with balance on the road or track. The kit is ADR approved as a front only kit as well.

[Aeron]

Im thinking about Alcons front and rear for the VX. A mate of mine had them on his SS ute and they were amazing!

NICE!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/photosbyaeron/VX%20SS%20Commodore/vX_Alcon.jpg

[Pulse Red]

Daniel if you look at the calipers on the 4 pot rears you will see they are smaller. So, at least in the case of the harrop setup, brake balance is achived/retained using smaller hardware on the rears, albeit 4-pot.

You might ask why harrop decided to go for the 343mm rotors on the rear as well; marketing reasons.. guys want their rear wheels filled out too. I got that from the horses mouth.

Very interesting Duncan, would explain how they deal with the braking bias. The disc thing doesnt suprise me at all as alot of people buy these sort of brakes for the bling factor (I was looking for the same thing).

if you don't go with a really big front kit, you can just ugrade the front and do a pad/disc/line upgrade on the rear.

i had a 330mm (dba 5000 series) 4 piston (AP racing) kit on the front and std rears (just different pads) of my VY ss ute for a long time. with no problems with balance on the road or track. The kit is ADR approved as a front only kit as well.

It is interesting that this combo didnt cause any of the nasty repocusions mentioned by the harrop guys on LS1.com.au. Who did the ADR certified kit that you were using? Is it a Cebco package?

[Pulse Red]

Im thinking about Alcons front and rear for the VX. A mate of mine had them on his SS ute and they were amazing!

NICE!


I have heard some great things about Alcons but when I priced them they were $6k.

[235rwkw]

L3 F $4450 343 x 32 / AP 6 spot
L3 R $4050 328 x 24 / AP 4 spot

L2 F $3750 328 x 28 / AP 4 spot
L2 R $3250 325 x 24 / AP 2 spot

L1 F $1750 328 x 28 / 2 spot
L1 R $420 std six slotted

all above with EBC red stuff to suit and I think all had braided lines.

Don't look particularly cheap to me.

the price i got was rears included free in the kit

[Aeron]

I have heard some great things about Alcons but when I priced them they were $6k.

Thats ok, I only have to pay half :D One of the joys of being part owner. I'll be shopping 'round the 1st week in January for some Alcons. We'll only be going for 4-Piston so we can still fit the 17" rims.

[Pulse Red]

the price i got was rears included free in the kit

If that kit was sub $4k to compete with the Harrop Kit it would be a bit of a bargain but at the listed price hardware for hardware it wouldnt compete.

Thats ok, I only have to pay half :D One of the joys of being part owner. I'll be shopping 'round the 1st week in January for some Alcons. We'll only be going for 4-Piston so we can still fit the 17" rims.

Let us know how you go, you can sometimes pop up good bargains on stuff like this.

[PSI38L]

The ADR test was done in melbourne, the kit is avalibale from competiton friction www.compfriction.com.au or V-sport www.vsport.com.au

[Scotty]

[QUOTE=Aeron;3862]Im thinking about Alcons front and rear for the VX. A mate of mine had them on his SS ute and they were amazing!

NICE!

If you are around the Hills area I am happy to take you for a drive in mine to compare if you wish?

[Aeron]

Well, it looks like the Alcons will be too much. Way too much! Looks like i'll go with an AP Racing kit. Im sure they'll be fine.

[Scotty]

Well, it looks like the Alcons will be too much. Way too much! Looks like i'll go with an AP Racing kit. Im sure they'll be fine.

What are the alcons worth? and what size rotors?

[Pulse Red]

I had a look through notes I made when calling around and for the Alcon kit with 4 piston calipers all round with 335mm slotted discs plus fluid, pads, lines etc I have here $7200 inc GST Even more then I remembered. You may be able to beat that as it was just 1 quote.

[Aeron]

I had a look through notes I made when calling around and for the Alcon kit with 4 piston callipers all round with 335mm slotted discs plus fluid, pads, lines etc I have here $7200 inc GST Even more then I remembered. You may be able to beat that as it was just 1 quote.

Yeh, about $7000 is about normal for Alcons. Im off to Race Brakes Sydney tomorrow to have a chat with them about a set of AP Racing callipers. I may get something like this for the front ---> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/AP-RACING-BRAKE-KIT-COMMODORE-VB-VK-VL-VT-VX-HSV-SS_W0QQitemZ120063646692QQihZ002QQcategoryZ102360Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
and see what they say about the back.

[RBS MATT]

That is not very competitive as far as pricing goes. I wonder if you can get the 2 spot rear AP calipers and brackets elsewhere? I think alot of people who are currently running the AP 4 spot front with stockers on the rear might find it an appealing upgrade.
The RDA kits are all red AP calipers so another reason why they are a bit dearer.

Race Brakes Sydneysales@racebrakessydney.com.au offer the twin piston rear kit from $2500 as well as a front 4 pot 330mm starting from the same price. For a VT onwards model a smaller 4 piston AP Caliper is used on a 315mm rear rotor again from $2450 with both front(330mm) and rear (315mm) rotors being available aftermarket at competitive prices when needed to replace.

Most of the larger brake kits mentioned have a higher cost also in replacing rotors and brake pads and also having to go back to the supplier for the parts as DBA / RDA do not make some of the sizes being made.

The AP Racing calipers are more rigid and lower profile as well as having the dust boot for the piston compared to some of these other kits and the quality of the product is second to none.Some of the oversized brake kits that are available today are really not needed for most people and a 330mm 4 piston kit will be quiet effective in it's job.

[35R]

The RDA kits are all red AP calipers so another reason why they are a bit dearer.

Race Brakes Sydneysales@racebrakessydney.com.au offer the twin piston rear kit from $2500 as well as a front 4 pot 330mm starting from the same price. For a VT onwards model a smaller 4 piston AP Caliper is used on a 315mm rear rotor again from $2450 with both front(330mm) and rear (315mm) rotors being available aftermarket at competitive prices when needed to replace.

Most of the larger brake kits mentioned have a higher cost also in replacing rotors and brake pads and also having to go back to the supplier for the parts as DBA / RDA do not make some of the sizes being made.

The AP Racing calipers are more rigid and lower profile as well as having the dust boot for the piston compared to some of these other kits and the quality of the product is second to none.Some of the oversized brake kits that are available today are really not needed for most people and a 330mm 4 piston kit will be quiet effective in it's job.

Matt

are you with Sydney Race Brakes?

how much for a 360mm six piston AP Racing kit (plus matching rear system) for 2004 Commodore/Monaro? thanks.

[RBS MATT]

Matt

are you with Sydney Race Brakes?

how much for a 360mm six piston AP Racing kit (plus matching rear system) for 2004 Commodore/Monaro? thanks.

I am yes.Can i say that ?
This kit is $6950 F.6p 362mm and R.4p 332mm

[Brockfan05]

G'day Matt, seeing as you seem to be an impromptu vendor /sponser, can you tell me if there are any VE V8 brake upgrades available yet? Preferably ones that fit under stock 18" rims. Thanks mate :)

[Pulse Red]

The RDA kits are all red AP calipers so another reason why they are a bit dearer.

Race Brakes Sydneysales@racebrakessydney.com.au offer the twin piston rear kit from $2500 as well as a front 4 pot 330mm starting from the same price. For a VT onwards model a smaller 4 piston AP Caliper is used on a 315mm rear rotor again from $2450 with both front(330mm) and rear (315mm) rotors being available aftermarket at competitive prices when needed to replace.

Most of the larger brake kits mentioned have a higher cost also in replacing rotors and brake pads and also having to go back to the supplier for the parts as DBA / RDA do not make some of the sizes being made.

The AP Racing calipers are more rigid and lower profile as well as having the dust boot for the piston compared to some of these other kits and the quality of the product is second to none.Some of the oversized brake kits that are available today are really not needed for most people and a 330mm 4 piston kit will be quiet effective in it's job.

Great response. Can I ask a few questions that I was thinking about when brake shopping?

What is the difference between the red and black AP calipers? I assumed it was just an asthetic option but it sounds like there is more to it?

What are your thoughts on using the AP 4 piston kit with 330mm front discs with just pads on the rear? Will it be unbalanced?

With the Race brakes AP 4piston 330mm front/ 4 piston rear 315mm rear kit what sort of pads do you guys supply? This kit will be around $5k going on what you listed, aside from the benefits you mentioned how does this compare in perfomance to the Harrop performance kit (4 piston 343mm front and rear) at $4k? Will it be a really noticable difference on the track assuming the Harrop kit is running right?

[Black VESSV]

G'day Matt, seeing as you seem to be an impromptu vendor /sponser, can you tell me if there are any VE V8 brake upgrades available yet? Preferably ones that fit under stock 18" rims. Thanks mate :)

I was going to ask the same thing. I didn't like the brakes when i test drove a SSV last week (only thing i didn't like). My stnd size VX brakes with slotted rotors and Ferrodo pads feel like they stop a lot better.

[dattoman]

There is or will be shortly VE stuff
Larger upgrades and also a 4 pot improvement on the STD discs

[RBS MATT]

Great response. Can I ask a few questions that I was thinking about when brake shopping?

What is the difference between the red and black AP calipers? I assumed it was just an asthetic option but it sounds like there is more to it?

What are your thoughts on using the AP 4 piston kit with 330mm front discs with just pads on the rear? Will it be unbalanced?

With the Race brakes AP 4piston 330mm front/ 4 piston rear 315mm rear kit what sort of pads do you guys supply? This kit will be around $5k going on what you listed, aside from the benefits you mentioned how does this compare in perfomance to the Harrop performance kit (4 piston 343mm front and rear) at $4k? Will it be a really noticable difference on the track assuming the Harrop kit is running right?

The best thing about the kits we sell is i can put any brand of pad in you want for an additional cost and i can also supply non slotted , slotted or crossdrilled rotors as well in some of our brake kits but this is also determined on the size of the rotors in the kit .If it is a road car then i put hawk pads or Ferodo in the AP kits and if they are for track work SBS or Ferodo.
There is really no difference between the black or red calipers just cosmetic.
I have sold many AP 4pot kits with 330mm rotors for front only on commodores and falcons over the years but do recommend to atleast put slotted rotors and better pads on the rear and have not had any problems at all.I do not recommend going larger in rotor size or to a 6 piston though if the rears are not being upsized.
The Harrop kits do have larger rotors but these $4k kits i understand are leftover excess from holden changing to the AP kits .A had a phone call recently from a customer who has his VZ (one of his reps cars) fitted with a Harrop $4 k kit on it and just recently fitted our AP version on another and found the AP Kit braked a lot firmer and smoother (if that makes sense) and also he found that with our AP kit he had more choice's in rotor style available at replacement time with costs also being lower.
I do not know anyone who has done any track comparisons with both kits and like anything these days people will have good and bad to say about a product.I can supply Harrop kits if people want them no problem but you have to buy complete front and rear kits , front or rear only are not available.
AP Racing has been around for many years and there product is quality at it's best and we can also sell the calipers by themselves and adapt them to suit many different model cars.
The thing is in this industry that not every car , driving style and budget is the same so what may be suitable for one person may not be for the other.

[35R]

Matt,

I think we spoke a couple of months back about the harrop vs AP's

I had to wait for my Harrop "Performance" calipers to be made up, so i am not sure about the theory they are left over HSV stock (not now at least) - also the new harrop calipers take off the shelf 18mm pads now, not 16mm like the old HSV units.

If the harrops still required 16mm pads, i would have gone with the AP kit straight up (I didnt want to modify the pads for every change). The harrops looked better value on paper.. and Harrop insisted the pads (OEM and aftermarket, EBC redstuff porsche pads for example) should just slot right in. However, i since found the pad backing plates require modification to fit into the harrop caliper. I have to file down the pad sides so they can slot in. I am not happy.

Just Brakes in Melbourne had the same issue with these calipers (with OEM Bendix, I was using EBC reds).. Just Brakes are waiting for some response from Harrop. But it looks like Harrop are not really interested. Also, when the calipers get hot, the pads get jammed and resonate, probably because the backing plate modification by me isnt what you would call "precision" engineering. This kind of pad mod requirement pisses me off and was the reason I selected harrop (ironic huh).

No complaints on the track with the harrops, but nothing spectacular either. I aquired a bigger brake kit mainly because i was changing rotors every second track day (otherwise the stock system was ok by me, albeit with uprated rotors/pads/fluid). I just wanted something where the pads and rotors would go the distance, and not cost a bomb for replacement items.

Perhaps I was unlucky with the harrops, but the customer service just isnt there. They sure look good, and if you are happy to modify the pads, I guess they are ok.

However, I am now looking at the AP Kit. Have you had any issue with off the shelf pads for your AP Kits? Any pad modifications required? Can i use off the shelf DBA rotors? From memory you can use DBA4000/5000's with your kits, which helps come replacement time as they are keenly priced and available everywhere.

[RBS MATT]

Matt,

I think we spoke a couple of months back about the harrop vs AP's

I had to wait for my Harrop "Performance" calipers to be made up, so i am not sure about the theory they are left over HSV stock (not now at least) - also the new harrop calipers take off the shelf 18mm pads now, not 16mm like the old HSV units.

If the harrops still required 16mm pads, i would have gone with the AP kit straight up (I didnt want to modify the pads for every change). The harrops looked better value on paper.. and Harrop insisted the pads (OEM and aftermarket, EBC redstuff porsche pads for example) should just slot right in. However, i since found the pad backing plates require modification to fit into the harrop caliper. I have to file down the pad sides so they can slot in. I am not happy.

Just Brakes in Melbourne had the same issue with these calipers (with OEM Bendix, I was using EBC reds).. Just Brakes are waiting for some response from Harrop. But it looks like Harrop are not really interested. Also, when the calipers get hot, the pads get jammed and resonate, probably because the backing plate modification by me isnt what you would call "precision" engineering. This kind of pad mod requirement pisses me off and was the reason I selected harrop (ironic huh).

No complaints on the track with the harrops, but nothing spectacular either. I aquired a bigger brake kit mainly because i was changing rotors every second track day (otherwise the stock system was ok by me, albeit with uprated rotors/pads/fluid). I just wanted something where the pads and rotors would go the distance, and not cost a bomb for replacement items.

Perhaps I was unlucky with the harrops, but the customer service just isnt there. They sure look good, and if you are happy to modify the pads, I guess they are ok.

However, I am now looking at the AP Kit. Have you had any issue with off the shelf pads for your AP Kits? Any pad modifications required? Can i use off the shelf DBA rotors? From memory you can use DBA4000/5000's with your kits, which helps come replacement time as they are keenly priced and available everywhere.
Yes our 330 AP4 pot front and 315mm AP 4 pot rear uses DBA rotors and no mods to pads are needed .Both of these issues making them an attractive package.Some brake packages can look good there is no doubt about that.

[Brockfan05]

There is or will be shortly VE stuff
Larger upgrades and also a 4 pot improvement on the STD discs

Thanks Dattoman. Are you affliated with Race Brakes too?

[Pulse Red]

RBS Matt,

Thankyou for your excellent and very helpfull responses to my questions in both this thread and the other one, you have given me alot to think over.

Cheers :beer: