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With the deeply sadening news of yet another brave Australian killed in action in Afghanistan I wonder what we are doing there. I know full well why we are there, I got back just 3 and a bit months ago.
So If im wondering then I know alot of people must wonder and also at the same time must have no idea what we as an Army and Defence force are doing there.
Its hard to sit here at home, warm and safe, with out worry of rocket or IED attack, knowing that I will be here tomorrow, that Ill wake up next to Carly.
Its hard because some of the guys that took over from us in AFG were my mates, I have known them since they joined the Army as young men of only 18 or 19 years old. I worked with them in Brisbane, I shaped them as soldiers and now JNCO's. Im not there for them, I cant check on them and be there for them for anything. The only way I can keep in touch is via Facebook and even then they cant say much, they cant cough the worrisome stressfull dirty phlegm of war OPs in Afghanistan off their chest.
What settles me and lets me sleep at night is the fact that I know they have each other, they have known each other for years and like the ANZACs before them would do anything for each other, anything...
I know for 98% of you reading this that you have no real concept of whats going on in AFG and what the men and woman do each day and how hard it can be over there some days and sometimes every day for weeks.
I have a question for you, no, a request of you. Could you please in your own words let me know what you think we are doing in AFG? Dont Google it, dont go to the ADF website, dont be worried that what you type may be wrong of nowhere near close. Just type what you think we are doing.
The Government send us where they need us, we go and do what we must, with the knowledge of the supreme sacrifice in the front of our minds.
What shits me is the fact that sometiems the media Question what we are doing there and on the other hand some media go out of their way to show you all back in Asutralia what is happening overe there and what we are doing.
Please watch the video that is on this link http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/program/595741
Its a two part special and I must say was brilliant, truthfull, hardhitting and just what we need to get the message out to Australia about what we are doing there.
My thoughts and prayers are with the members of MTF-1 in AFG and the family and friends of the young man who was killed today, RIP mate.
Troy
I have a question for you, no, a request of you. Could you please in your own words let me know what you think we are doing in AFG? Dont Google it, dont go to the ADF website, dont be worried that what you type may be wrong of nowhere near close. Just type what you think we are doing.
I presume this is only a part of what Australian forces do in Afghanistan, but training local military / police forces?
Cheers,
- Febs.
evo65m
10-07-2010, 02:49 PM
All I can say is God Bless the forces that go and stand up for us. Anywhere any time
My feeling is that we (Australia) have dedicated resources to being there mostly out of obligation. If September 11 never happened we wouldnt be there.
Question for you Troy: what % of Army guys would rather NOT go if given the opportunity or asked?
Training their military
Peacekeeping
Assisting to create stable government
Minimize localized attacks and threats
A friend of mine is serving in UAE for RAAF at the moment. Has done two tours there now in the last 2 years.
As you know troy from when we haved talked i have the utmost respect for the armed services for the great work they do and have been ordered to do.we are trying to westernise if that is the right way of looking at it a country that will never change.the army is trying to wipe out the taliban and the gurilleas over there.i wish it would be a quick and easy process but in my heart we will never be able to change and wipe out the taliban.there will be little changes here and there but when the coalition of the willing leaves i will bet my house on it that it will be back the same way as it was before.you will never be able to root out all of the bad guys there pure and simple.i support what we are doing but it will not change as the government opes it will.i also see that america will be sending an extra 20k -30k more soldiers over there again.i have served in the army back home in south africa and have lost 2 brothers who served in the army as well so i know how it feels to feel like you are there for no reason.in my opinion i would pull out all of our men and women in afghanistan tommorrow as it looks like we will loose to many good people for no reason.sorry for the long post but i hope we will loose no more troops but while we are there we will.thats the sad part.for what reason???
phil
hsvredsled
15-07-2010, 11:53 AM
Training their military
Peacekeeping
Assisting to create stable government
Minimize localized attacks and threats
Agree with the above. I would also add, 'showing loyalty to our allies''
The yanks will never forget 9/11. In the last week I have been to Ground Zero and Arlington Cemetery. I saw the acres and acres of empty fields which are being prepared as graves for future soldiers. They openly admit that..and they are immensely proud of it!
I also stood below the Enola Gay.
I stood below it with huge mixed emotions.
Australia helped the UK in several wars, losing thousands of lives and being treated like decoys. Only when we were invaded did we call from assistance from the mother country only to be told they were too busy. In comes the US and the rest is history.
Look no further than Indonesia. They could invade us and take over in a week. Simple mathematics. We need the US as allies, thus we need to support them.
Sad...but true.
Desertws6
16-07-2010, 02:31 AM
As a Yank I will never forget 9/11. It was the 2ND time terrorism was brought to our shores. First time was World Trade center bombing attempt in 1996. Every American will remember these days.
I am grateful for Australian participation along with our Armed Forces. And it's very, very tragic when a young life has given the ultimate sacrifice, my heart goes out to all the families & friends of our young heroes. May you Rest In Peace. I have had 3 mates here serve over there and 2 family members, 1 is still there ATM. If I was a young man I would be there also. But at 44 I'm too old.
Something that my cousin Melissa serving there posted to me. She is a surgical nurse and has been in the US Navy for 26 years now. http://www.stripes.com/news/jennifer-s-letter-1.98638 It hits home is great detail.
I hope and pray daily for the safe return of all soldiers serving over there. Freedom is never Free, and I think it's a shame that all of this started by some evil people. There are some known terroist cells in my city, not near my house. But like every American, we are keeping our eyes and ears open at home. I know all of my neighbors very well, no strangers in this area.
I also keep my gun close by just in case of problems.
Cheers,
Steve
god084
16-07-2010, 07:42 AM
Question for you Troy: what % of Army guys would rather NOT go if given the opportunity or asked?
Its a hard concept to understand but I speak from my experience alone that every man I have known joins the defence force in the hope of operational experience. To not be deployed is what every combat soldier despises.
Imagine day in day out you train and push yourself physically and mentally to no extent in the hope that one day your skills will serve you in a manner where you can carry out a task of some significance. I'm sure there are some who don't want to go and admit it is a very frightening thought to realise that you could be killed in a flash and for what?
Put it this way if you only ran practice days at the track with no recording of your lap times over and over again but were never given a chance to prove how worthy a driver you had become would that piss you off?
I'm sorry if I come across as rude but this is a common misconception by our general public that we don't want to be deployed. Sure it is a frightening experience and you do risk your life but the bonds made and the experiences shared are ones which will never leave you. The good and the bad
How many friends do you have which you could say would give their lives in order to save yours?
In reference to the Middle East there is no diplomatic solution from what I have seen. Build 20ft high concrete re-inforced walls around the whole place and let them kill each other but thats not so PC is it...
lautray
16-07-2010, 11:02 AM
Peacekeeping & training the local forces.
hsvredsled
16-07-2010, 12:10 PM
In reference to the Middle East there is no diplomatic solution from what I have seen. Build 20ft high concrete re-inforced walls around the whole place and let them kill each other but thats not so PC is it...
Here is my solution. I took this photo on Monday. A few thousand bux and she would be ship shape to fly again!!
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w293/hsvredsled/2010USA525.jpg
Desertws6
16-07-2010, 11:30 PM
Here is my solution. I took this photo on Monday. A few thousand bux and she would be ship shape to fly again!!
That thought has crossed my mind. But it has the potential to start WWIII, and there are innocent people there.
As to the guilty parties.
http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/wood-chipper-383370.jpg
Feet first into one of these would made someone squeal like a pig. No worries about sitting and rotting in a cell for the rest of their life. Demonstrate with one and the rest will talk. Sick?.......Perhaps, but it would get the job done quickly. Do it behind closed doors away from the UN and the media.
ianspencer
17-07-2010, 03:33 PM
Question for you Troy: what % of Army guys would rather NOT go if given the opportunity or asked?
A soldier loves to fight a battle. If their intention to joint the army is to serve the nation, undoubtedly 100% of the army guys would go. In fact there would be a rush to go first.
I presume this is only a part of what Australian forces do in Afghanistan, but training local military / police forces?
Cheers,
- Febs.
All I can say is God Bless the forces that go and stand up for us. Anywhere any time
My feeling is that we (Australia) have dedicated resources to being there mostly out of obligation. If September 11 never happened we wouldnt be there.
Question for you Troy: what % of Army guys would rather NOT go if given the opportunity or asked?
Training their military
Peacekeeping
Assisting to create stable government
Minimize localized attacks and threats
A friend of mine is serving in UAE for RAAF at the moment. Has done two tours there now in the last 2 years.
Agree with the above. I would also add, 'showing loyalty to our allies''
The yanks will never forget 9/11. In the last week I have been to Ground Zero and Arlington Cemetery. I saw the acres and acres of empty fields which are being prepared as graves for future soldiers. They openly admit that..and they are immensely proud of it!
I also stood below the Enola Gay.
I stood below it with huge mixed emotions.
Australia helped the UK in several wars, losing thousands of lives and being treated like decoys. Only when we were invaded did we call from assistance from the mother country only to be told they were too busy. In comes the US and the rest is history.
Look no further than Indonesia. They could invade us and take over in a week. Simple mathematics. We need the US as allies, thus we need to support them.
Sad...but true.
As a Yank I will never forget 9/11. It was the 2ND time terrorism was brought to our shores. First time was World Trade center bombing attempt in 1996. Every American will remember these days.
I am grateful for Australian participation along with our Armed Forces. And it's very, very tragic when a young life has given the ultimate sacrifice, my heart goes out to all the families & friends of our young heroes. May you Rest In Peace. I have had 3 mates here serve over there and 2 family members, 1 is still there ATM. If I was a young man I would be there also. But at 44 I'm too old.
Something that my cousin Melissa serving there posted to me. She is a surgical nurse and has been in the US Navy for 26 years now. http://www.stripes.com/news/jennifer-s-letter-1.98638 It hits home is great detail.
I hope and pray daily for the safe return of all soldiers serving over there. Freedom is never Free, and I think it's a shame that all of this started by some evil people. There are some known terroist cells in my city, not near my house. But like every American, we are keeping our eyes and ears open at home. I know all of my neighbors very well, no strangers in this area.
I also keep my gun close by just in case of problems.
Cheers,
Steve
Its a hard concept to understand but I speak from my experience alone that every man I have known joins the defence force in the hope of operational experience. To not be deployed is what every combat soldier despises.
Imagine day in day out you train and push yourself physically and mentally to no extent in the hope that one day your skills will serve you in a manner where you can carry out a task of some significance. I'm sure there are some who don't want to go and admit it is a very frightening thought to realise that you could be killed in a flash and for what?
Put it this way if you only ran practice days at the track with no recording of your lap times over and over again but were never given a chance to prove how worthy a driver you had become would that piss you off?
I'm sorry if I come across as rude but this is a common misconception by our general public that we don't want to be deployed. Sure it is a frightening experience and you do risk your life but the bonds made and the experiences shared are ones which will never leave you. The good and the bad
How many friends do you have which you could say would give their lives in order to save yours?
In reference to the Middle East there is no diplomatic solution from what I have seen. Build 20ft high concrete re-inforced walls around the whole place and let them kill each other but thats not so PC is it...
Peacekeeping & training the local forces.
A soldier loves to fight a battle. If their intention to joint the army is to serve the nation, undoubtedly 100% of the army guys would go. In fact there would be a rush to go first.
Thanks for the reply's so far fellas, Ill tell you in my own words why we are there and dont take offence if what you wrote is wrong or if I disagree.
In 99 I went into EM (East Timor) to enforce peace, a Peace enforcing mission with the permission and support of the UN and many many many countries. It was the biggest troop deployment since the Vietnam War in the 60's and 70's.
In 2002 I went back to EM to keep the peace that had been established, a Peace keeping mission.
As my tour was winding up in 2002 we were on high alert for a car bomb that would use home made explosives, Diesel and Ammonium nitrate. There was no specific target other then "Australians in South East asia".
On the plane home from EM I read of the first Bali bombings and all the Australians that has been killed in a most horrific way.
To say that if 911 didnt happened we wouldnt be ther is not totally unfounded but as the Govt regurgitates to us all, those that were responsible for the Bali Bombings were trained by or trained in AFG (Afghanistan).
Either way 911 happened, do I think Terrorists were 100% behind it is another story/opinion.
In 2001 the ADF went into AFG, it was SOTG, (Special forces Task Group) guys and their support elements.
Later we went in with more troops in a Reconstruction effort, the infantry, Armour and Artillery (Forward observers) were there to provide security to the Engineers who were doing the reconstruction work. This was successful and continued for a few years until recently when we started Mentoring the ANA (Afghan nation Army) and the ANP (Afghan national Police).
This started with MRTF-1 (Mentoring and Reconstruction task force 1), there was a slightly less construction and more mentoring.
I went over in 09 as part of the Govt's troop increase as a Mentor.
So yes we are training the Afghan security forces to be able to one day in the future take over the security of GIROA (Government of the Islamic Republic Of Afghanistan) and look after itself.
Mentoring is a hard road, its long slow and time consuming due to the culture and nature of the Afghans. They are great warriors and lovely people, I got along so so well with my ANA soldiers and hope to return one day to see how the have progressed.
The other very important part of the mission over there is the Grunts who are on the ground seeking out and closing with the Taliban and at times killing them. They are providing a sense of security for the AFG people and also restricting the freedom of manoeuvre and action. Those guys are taking a lot of risks and this can be seen in Four Corners absolutly brilliant two part Doco called a Careful War http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100705/afghanistan/
Please watch the Doco, its soooo good, no BS, no bleeping of swearing, the truth.
It covers the Mentoring effort a bit but more the hard slog being done on the ground by our Grunts and the engineers that search for IED's (Improvised Explosive Devices) in front of them and in buildings of interest.
The nature of the war in AFG is called COIN (Counter insurgency) and its a difficult one at that. Its about hearts and minds, not injuring locals or accidently destroying their homes etc. Its about getting the locals to trust and support you and not let the Taliban have the rein that they sometimes do in AFG.
Its not Peace keeping or enforcing, its Warfighting in a COIN.
BOK1 you are a brother in Arms and I thankyou for your words mate :cheers:
God084, I agree with what you said, its how explain it to mates and family who dont understand why we want to go there and put our lives in harms way.
Thankyou for the support that you show on this page and show where you can for the troops OS.
Dunc what percentage, I know of a mate that didnt go when given the chance due to the upcoming birth of his baby, he went 3 months later.
A percentile, hmmmm if openly given a choice, 1%. If a guy doesn’t want to go he can pull the pin but he would get a hard time I think, it would want to be a good excuse to not cop flack from his mates.
Anyway, just remember that we go where we are told, support the Men and Women of the ADF, if you want to bag someone, bag the GOVT but never ever the troops.
Troy :)
I had to remove one quote due to it putting my post over the limit, sorry.
Troy :)
seldo
17-07-2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the reply's so far fellas, Ill tell you in my own words why we are there and dont take offence if what you wrote is wrong or if I disagree.
In 99 I went into EM (East Timor) to enforce peace, a Peace enforcing mission with the permission and support of the UN and many many many countries. It was the biggest troop deployment since the Vietnam War in the 60's and 70's.
In 2002 I went back to EM to keep the peace that had been established, a Peace keeping mission.
As my tour was winding up in 2002 we were on high alert for a car bomb that would use home made explosives, Diesel and Ammonium nitrate. There was no specific target other then "Australians in South East asia".
On the plane home from EM I read of the first Bali bombings and all the Australians that has been killed in a most horrific way.
To say that if 911 happened is not totally unfounded but as the Govt regurgitates to us all, those that were responsible for the Bali Bombings were trained by or trained in AFG (Afghanistan).
Either way 911 happened, do I think Terrorists were 100% behind it is another story/opinion.
In 2001 the ADF went into AFG, it was SOTG, (Special forces Task Group) guys and their support elements.
Later we went in with more troops in a Reconstruction effort, the infantry, Armour and Artillery (Forward observers) were there to provide security to the Engineers who were doing the reconstruction work. This was successful and continued for a few years until recently when we started Mentoring the ANA (Afghan nation Army) and the ANP (Afghan national Police).
This started with MRTF-1 (Mentoring and Reconstruction task force 1), there was a slightly less construction and more mentoring.
I went over in 09 as part of the Govt's troop increase as a Mentor.
So yes we are training the Afghan security forces to be able to one day in the future take over the security of GIROA (Government of the Islamic Republic Of Afghanistan) and look after itself.
Mentoring is a hard road, its long slow and time consuming due to the culture and nature of the Afghans. They are great warriors and lovely people, I got along so so well with my ANA soldiers and hope to return one day to see how the have progressed.
The other very important part of the mission over there is the Grunts who are on the ground seeking out and closing with the Taliban and at times killing them. They are providing a sense of security for the AFG people and also restricting the freedom of manoeuvre and action. Those guys are taking a lot of risks and this can be seen in Four Corners absolutly brilliant two part Doco called a Careful War http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20100705/afghanistan/
Please watch the Doco, its soooo good, no BS, no bleeping of swearing, the truth.
It covers the Mentoring effort a bit but more the hard slog being done on the ground by our Grunts and the engineers that search for IED's (Improvised Explosive Devices) in front of them and in buildings of interest.
The nature of the war in AFG is called COIN (Counter insurgency) and its a difficult one at that. Its about hearts and minds, not injuring locals or accidently destroying their homes etc. Its about getting the locals to trust and support you and not let the Taliban have the rein that they sometimes do in AFG.
Its not Peace keeping or enforcing, its Warfighting in a COIN.
BOK1 you are a brother in Arms and I thankyou for your words mate :cheers:
God084, I agree with what you said, its how explain it to mates and family who dont understand why we want to go there and put our lives in harms way.
Thankyou for the support that you show on this page and show where you can for the troops OS.
Dunc what percentage, I know of a mate that didnt go when given the chance due to the upcoming birth of his baby, he went 3 months later.
A percentile, hmmmm if openly given a choice, 1%. If a guy doesn’t want to go he can pull the pin but he would get a hard time I think, it would want to be a good excuse to not cop flack from his mates.
Anyway, just remember that we go where we are told, support the Men and Women of the ADF, if you want to bag someone, bag the GOVT but never ever the troops.
Troy :)
Wow! Thanks Troy!
And Thanks again!
I'd wanted to reply but....to be quite honest.... I guess I didn't really know accurately what I was talking about...
I think that what you blokes are doing is fantastic....amazing even...Thank you !!! :bravo:
But...at the same time...are we chasing an impossible outcome...I'm not sure...
I think that the proclaimed outcome is excellent.....I'm just not sure that that is is what they are really chasing....
All I can say is thanks - a sensational job - someone has to do it, and you guys are just creaming it - :cheers: :cheers: Without you we'd be sinking inoto a 3rd world situation... Thank you again. More strength to you :cheers:
i guess we could all argue about your question above Troy (the politcal reasons behind sending forces in the first place) but regardless i am sure we can all agree it's an exceptional task to actually go and do the job. I think we need to separate those two issues though.
hsvredsled
18-07-2010, 09:01 AM
Its a really tough subject.
What does winning this 'war' look like?
Taliban defeated? What chance of that happening?
Locals officials/armies trained to be non corrupt and productive? Paying them peanuts will not achieve this.
If we pull out, then have our boys died in vain?
Or do we continue? The same questions were asked by Americans during the Vietnam War.
Etched onto this wall are 58,000 names of troops who did not come back from a war that could not be won. Very sombre experience looking at all the names.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w293/hsvredsled/2010USA417.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w293/hsvredsled/2010USA416.jpg
Utmost respect to the men and women who fight abroad for their country. I hate to see lives lost.
I normally have an opinion or suggested solution for everything. This one has me stumped.
Wow! Thanks Troy!
And Thanks again!
I'd wanted to reply but....to be quite honest.... I guess I didn't really know accurately what I was talking about...
I think that what you blokes are doing is fantastic....amazing even...Thank you !!! :bravo:
But...at the same time...are we chasing an impossible outcome...I'm not sure...
I think that the proclaimed outcome is excellent.....I'm just not sure that that is is what they are really chasing....
All I can say is thanks - a sensational job - someone has to do it, and you guys are just creaming it - :cheers: :cheers: Without you we'd be sinking inoto a 3rd world situation... Thank you again. More strength to you :cheers:
Youre welcome Seldo :)
i guess we could all argue about your question above Troy (the politcal reasons behind sending forces in the first place) but regardless i am sure we can all agree it's an exceptional task to actually go and do the job. I think we need to separate those two issues though.
Definatley Dunc, they do need to be separated :)
Its a really tough subject.
What does winning this 'war' look like?
Taliban defeated? What chance of that happening?
Locals officials/armies trained to be non corrupt and productive? Paying them peanuts will not achieve this.
If we pull out, then have our boys died in vain?
Or do we continue? The same questions were asked by Americans during the Vietnam War.
Etched onto this wall are 58,000 names of troops who did not come back from a war that could not be won. Very sombre experience looking at all the names.
Utmost respect to the men and women who fight abroad for their country. I hate to see lives lost.
I normally have an opinion or suggested solution for everything. This one has me stumped.
Winning this COIN war is exactly what you wrote, GIROA security forces being able to look after their country by itself. Winning it is not the removal of the Taliban or insurgents, in my opinion, they will always be around and will always give GIROA problems but with dedictaion by us and our allies we can get the security forces to a far far better standard, a standard that will allow them to effectively plan, conduct and execute operations against the Taliban and the Insurgents.
They get paid ok, better then some but should get paid more. The mentoring effort is on all fronts, not just hands on skills but on developing a proper 1st world western Ethos on doing business in Defence of their country. They are learning efficient administration through IT and best practice proceedures, they ARE getting much better.
They'll get there, but only if we stay the distance!! :yep:
Troy :)
Red, I have always wanted to visit and pay my respects to the Vietnam memorial there, thanks for the pics :yep:
Troy :)
hsvredsled
18-07-2010, 05:45 PM
Red, I have always wanted to visit and pay my respects to the Vietnam memorial there, thanks for the pics :yep:
Troy :)
No probs Troy. The memorial is a hop step and a jump from the reflection pool, near where "Jenny' jumped in the pool in Forest Gump. There are many proud vets who give up their time chatting with people who walk past.
Im sure you would also appreciate the changing of the guard of the tombs of the unknown soldier in Arlington. When we were there (last week) it was 38 degrees plus and 98% humidity. The military precision and dedication of those soldiers is amazing. Pacing up and down...21 steps...pause 21 seconds then keep pacing. 24 hours a day 7 days a week since 1932!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdTSSQ4cks&feature=fvw
Buffy
27-07-2010, 06:23 PM
Sorry for this late reply, just logged in tonight!
I am immensely proud of our armed forces and the work they do.
I really hope they can weed out and eventually destroy the Taliban and other terrorist organisations.
9/11 was the day that changed my world.
You will always have my support Troy!
Buffy
RIP Trooper Jason Brown :(
Munroman
15-08-2010, 07:44 AM
I know nothing more than what the media tells me but my gut tells me our troops are there to take the fight to the Taliban and keep them busy there away from our shores.
Providing our Governments do not allow them into Australia via the front or back doors and providing homegrown terrorism does not take hold the strategy should keep familes safe from terrorism.
And do I admire and support our troops?
DEFINITELY.
highlander_69r
22-08-2010, 01:11 AM
well the boys over in AFG do one hell of a job and can definately hold their heads up high.
Unfortuantely there are the fellow ADF members that have paid the ultimate sacrifice ( R.I.P boys), ill remember them, along with all other fallen conrades on ANZAC day.
I have my brother inlaw there atm as am I.
Thanks mate, you too. SEC and all, if I sang a song about things that you walk on, "down by the sea-ee-ee yeah yeah, on a blanket with my baby...", would that tell me what part you are in?
To the people reading this I am not drunk LOL
Troy :)
MID02K
24-08-2010, 01:24 PM
Troy as you know i have family and lot of mates in the ADF, and as i have said to you in the past, i dont know if i could do it, however i sleep better at night knowing that your brothers and sisters in arms are the ones keeping us safe day and night, and this allows us the liberties we enjoy everyday that some take for granted...
AS i say to everyone, you may not agree with war, or the politics, but that doesnt give you the right to disrespect the people that offer their lives day in day out so that we can live in a cotton wool world!!! Don't disrespect our troops, support them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them you are proud they are giving so much for you and your civil liberties, and allowing you to have your way of life preseved!!!!
hsvredsled
24-08-2010, 01:55 PM
A tad upsetting during the political debate one of the politicians said he estimates training the local forces in AFG to be effcient enough to stand alone would take about 300 years.
A tad upsetting during the political debate one of the politicians said he estimates training the local forces in AFG to be effcient enough to stand alone would take about 300 years.
Mate not a totaly unfare or unfounded statment if we tried to train them the way we do our own. We have modified our training to suit them and their culture as well as their educational back ground.
Paul, cheers mate :cheers:
Where is my Lap top, is it still kicking LOL
Cheers,
Troy
MID02K
25-08-2010, 09:10 AM
We may have had a win, but will send u a message later with the details!!!!!
To the families and soldiers of 6RAR you are in my thoughts.... RIP brave lad!
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