Pedders Suspension Granville

[cosmo vyss]

I put my car in for a wheel alinement and 4 tyres balance and rotated today. Whilst i was there i got the full untherane treatment (same as nolathane/noltec). I also had rear alingment done as well.
The car drives a heap better a feels more solid under breaking. The ride quality hasn't been diminished by any means and has made a marked driving improvement.

I was recomended to Con at Pedders Granville by Sonny:beer: . He also does suspension upgrades as well. Anything from bilistien to pedders sprts etc and all for reasonable price.

I will be going there for all my future suspension and basic wheel alinement stuff.

JB

[BOMI]

I have heard very good things anout Con and his team and I ride on Pedders from Wagga and can vouch for the product :thumbs:


Troy :)

[Febs]

Have also heard good things about Con and Pedders Granville.

Keep in mind though, Pedders are franchises (afaik), and therefore you can't tar them all with the same brush. I've been to two absolute shockers, which for many years put me off the entire chain.

During their $14 28point safety check on my old VS, one store told me my "power steering belt" needed replacing. When I asked if they meant my "fan belt", they said yes. I told them I replaced it (with a brand new one) 3 weeks earlier (it still looked brand new, of course). Their quote, including the $40 fan belt and $2,800 worth of suspension I didn't need, went straight into the bin. :)

Good to hear that Granville are a good 'un though. :)

Cheers,
- Febs.

[NickS]

Con gave the C4 the full treatment, nolathan front & rear, Bilstein shocks, Pedders Sport Ryder springs then full alignment & appropriate setup (camber / toe etc).

Highly recommended for any suspension work, fantastic customer service and accepts nothing less than perfection. If your in Sydney and need anything done suspension wise I wouldn't go anywhere else.

:bravo:

[exploder]

Yep I've had nothing but positive experiences there. Con managed to remove a fair bit of the boat nature of our Landcruiser.

[BLK 1T]

Had the Tonner down there just before Xmas Sonny had just done suspension bushes etc and it needed aligning, so Sonny sent it there and picked it up.
One odd thing was they aligned the front and rear but did not balance the wheels. So when I drove it home from Sonnys the steering wheel had a vibration at 110kmh.
Took it back to Con the next day, did not book it in and it was balanced while I waited + $50. Saw C4T parked there.
Overall the alignment etc seems fine, Con was a good guy to deal with and knows his stuff.
Just cant work out why he didnt balance the wheels the first time. No, I didnt get the chance to ask Con why, as I think the phone rang or something and I had to get going.

Phil

[NickS]

Had the Tonner down there just before Xmas Sonny had just done suspension bushes etc and it needed aligning, so Sonny sent it there and picked it up.
One odd thing was they aligned the front and rear but did not balance the wheels. So when I drove it home from Sonnys the steering wheel had a vibration at 110kmh.
Took it back to Con the next day, did not book it in and it was balanced while I waited + $50. Saw C4T parked there.
Overall the alignment etc seems fine, Con was a good guy to deal with and knows his stuff.
Just cant work out why he didnt balance the wheels the first time. No, I didnt get the chance to ask Con why, as I think the phone rang or something and I had to get going.

Phil

Hey Phil,

As they aren't a tyre shop they probably usually just do the alignment. If wheels are balanced properly once they don't usually need it again, it's the alignment that gets out of whack through the daily driving. They most likely assumed the balance was fine and just made sure everything was aligned ... a reckon that's a pretty fair assumption to make.

One way of looking at what happened is that they didn't perform unecessary jobs that you didn't request, did you ask for a balance or just an alignment ??? I have had alignments done many times where the balance hasn't even been looked at because it was fine.

Reading this it may seem like I'm having a go at you ... I'm not, just raising some points for discussion.

:cheers:

[BLK 1T]

Thats cool Nick, I know you are not having go. I would not have posted this anywhere else with out a flame suit, I hope Im safe here.
Just to clarify a couple of things, I didnt send the car there initially or pick it up so I couldnt give any specific instructions.
Wheel balance seemed OK before any work was done - so yes I would expect it still to be OK, but it wasnt. How three wheels came to be unbalanced is a mystery - but not important (I think).
Perhaps they were unbalanced for a while but the problem was masked by numerous shot suspension bushes - Ive got no idea.
I just figured checking the balance would go "hand in hand" with the alignment.
Having said all that I do appreciate Con dropping other work when I turned up unannouced and doing the balance on 20/12 straight away while I waited.

Phil
BTW Im not having a shot at anyone either - I wouldnt have bothered posting about this had I not seen the Pedders thread.

[BOMI]

Hey Phil,

As they aren't a tyre shop they probably usually just do the alignment. If wheels are balanced properly once they don't usually need it again, it's the alignment that gets out of whack through the daily driving. They most likely assumed the balance was fine and just made sure everything was aligned ... a reckon that's a pretty fair assumption to make.

One way of looking at what happened is that they didn't perform unecessary jobs that you didn't request, did you ask for a balance or just an alignment ??? I have had alignments done many times where the balance hasn't even been looked at because it was fine.

Reading this it may seem like I'm having a go at you ... I'm not, just raising some points for discussion.

:cheers:



Nick I got my wheel rotated and balanced just now so I aske dthe Bridgestone guys the question about balancing.

The re balance tyres every time the touch em, Paul at BS Wagga said that tires can be out as much in weight by 10 to 20 grams per wheel and Tyre.

So I reckon a balance every time you get your tyres rotated wouldnt hurt.


Troy :)

[NickS]

Nick I got my wheel rotated and balanced just now so I aske dthe Bridgestone guys the question about balancing.

The re balance tyres every time the touch em, Paul at BS Wagga said that tires can be out as much in weight by 10 to 20 grams per wheel and Tyre.

So I reckon a balance every time you get your tyres rotated wouldnt hurt.


Troy :)

Fair enough Bomi ... but there is no way 10 or 20 grams is going to make the wheels vibrate.

My wheel weights don't clear my front brakes so I pulled them off, removed over 100 grams from each wheel. I have had the car up to 180 odd down the straight at Wakefield and there is no vibration what so ever.

Balancing that often can't hurt ... but it's not really vital IMO.

[Elite SS]

Fair enough Bomi ... but there is no way 10 or 20 grams is going to make the wheels vibrate.

Actually they can, I just got all 4 of mine done before christmas, while driving to work it started to vibrate, I took it back, they put it on the balance machine, added 20 gm's NO vibration since...every car is different though...

Cheers

Goran

[BOMI]

Fair enough Bomi ... but there is no way 10 or 20 grams is going to make the wheels vibrate.

My wheel weights don't clear my front brakes so I pulled them off, removed over 100 grams from each wheel. I have had the car up to 180 odd down the straight at Wakefield and there is no vibration what so ever.

Balancing that often can't hurt ... but it's not really vital IMO.

WOW are your brakes that close to your rims!!??

Did you have the flat square stick on weights?

Troy :)

[DaveHAT]

Fair enough Bomi ... but there is no way 10 or 20 grams is going to make the wheels vibrate.

My wheel weights don't clear my front brakes so I pulled them off, removed over 100 grams from each wheel. I have had the car up to 180 odd down the straight at Wakefield and there is no vibration what so ever.

Balancing that often can't hurt ... but it's not really vital IMO.

Not necassarily Nick, it can depend on wheel brand and tyre quality. Cheaper tyres often require more weights to get them to balance true.

Sadly my VXSS wheels are knock offs and they require a fair wad of weights to get the balance right. I lost 2 10gm weights on the way to Ulladulla and the vibration was instantly noticable. I run cheapish tyres which probably doesn't help matters but without 100gms of weight I reckon I would 100% feel it.

:werd:

[NickS]

Well I'll go hide in my corner now ... clearly I'm wrong ... :lol:

Bomi ... yep, flat weights, maybe 1 - 1.5mm thick ... that's how close my calipers are to the rims !!!

Just to back myself up a little, Sonny told me he didn't have weights on his wheels and he never had any vibrations, that's why we pulled them off mine. Genuine HSV rims with good quality tyres probably make the difference.

:cheers:

[RedVYIISS]

That's something I noticed with the elcheapo Nankang's. You always ended up with a heap of weight getting the things balanced. On Sonny's Dyno you could tell one of them was out of round too.

No such problems with the (also cheap) Kumho KU31's.

[fatas]

now i know a fair bit about the balance act :confused: if you get new tyres get them fitted and then spun up on the balancer
if they are out by more than 30 g get them to deflate them and spin them 90 deg on the rim and re inflate repeate over and over till they are close to 30 or 40 g then balance as normal :toetap:
if they are out by heaps strip tyre and spin rim up only to see if it is the rim :headbang: cheap rims = lots of weight:headbang:
cheap tyres also = lots of weight
hope that helps
then fill with nitrogen of course :)

[BOMI]

Well I'll go hide in my corner now ... clearly I'm wrong ... :lol:

Bomi ... yep, flat weights, maybe 1 - 1.5mm thick ... that's how close my calipers are to the rims !!!

Just to back myself up a little, Sonny told me he didn't have weights on his wheels and he never had any vibrations, that's why we pulled them off mine. Genuine HSV rims with good quality tyres probably make the difference.

:cheers:

You are correct there Nick with your HSV rims and Tyres.
:whip: :whip: :whip:
Now get back in ya box :whip: :whip:
:whip: :whip: :whip:

[Ron]

That's something I noticed with the elcheapo Nankang's. You always ended up with a heap of weight getting the things balanced. On Sonny's Dyno you could tell one of them was out of round too.

No such problems with the (also cheap) Kumho KU31's.

Bloody Nangkangs:mad:

Wont be getting them again ,they tend to feather on the outside and you get a vibration around 110kph, never had that problem before and yes as Al said they require a lot of weights to balance them

[Sonny@AutoWerks]

I think balance comes down to the quality of the rim and tyre,i had issues with a few sets of after market wheels i bought over the years as they were shaking at speeds between 80 to 110km/h,one set was that bad it robbed me power on the dyno as they were vibrating that bad,since then i have learned my lesson and buy OEM wheels or after market quality ones,my hsv 19's never had any wheel weights on them from brand new,never had a steering shake issue,wen i was shopping round for the 20's,i drove some cars with after market 20's and it was shocking on the harshness and steering shake + vibration,this turned me of 20's and i waited for the new hsv range as i would prefer to buy oem 20's,while i was doing research,i came across this company bb0ss wheels,spend weeks talking over the pone and several emails they guranteed me no vibration / shake / or harshness,and thats exactly wat i got,wen u ride in ym car u cant even feel it has 20's its super smooth :)

regards sonny

[scat2k3]

Con gave the C4 the full treatment, nolathan front & rear, Bilstein shocks, Pedders Sport Ryder springs then full alignment & appropriate setup (camber / toe etc).

Highly recommended for any suspension work, fantastic customer service and accepts nothing less than perfection. If your in Sydney and need anything done suspension wise I wouldn't go anywhere else.

:bravo:

Well after reading shit like this and having Sonny recommend a visit to Con, how could I not?

I had Chris@Marranos phone Con and order a set of Pedders Sports Ryder springs and Bilsteins all round. Had it all installed at Marranos and went down to see Con for a wheel allignment afterwards.

While I was there, I asked about their strut braces and had one installed while they did the 4 wheel allignment.

Con's been running that workshop for over 14 years and his father ran it before him. They moved into bigger premises at Christmas (next door to their old shop) and its a spotless environment, just like Marranos.

Extremlely pleased with the service, advise and the products.

Cheers,

Scott

[BOMI]

Im gonna have to drop in and see this shop and this guy I have heard such good things about.

I still have a front end suspension problems.


Troy :)

[seedyrom]

your clunk, grinding noise ?

i've still got my noise too.

Have replaced shocks, polyurethane sway bar link mounts, replaced the strut top centering things. ... hmmm ... dunno what it could be.

more money thrown at a problem, thats what my car needs :)

When are you coming up to Sydney next Troy?

[DaveHAT]

your clunk, grinding noise ?

i've still got my noise too.

Have replaced shocks, polyurethane sway bar link mounts, replaced the strut top centering things. ... hmmm ... dunno what it could be.

more money thrown at a problem, thats what my car needs :)

When are you coming up to Sydney next Troy?

More money thrown at the problem ... oh don't I know that bloody problem as well Seedy.

My guess would be to get the radius rod bushes replaced, given the somewhat vague description you've given I would suggest the bushes are moving in the K-frame which is causing the clunk.

My bloody heap was doing the same thing as you've described and replacing them eliminated the problem.

When I say eliminated ... I of course mean moved the problem to somewhere friggen else ... :headbang:

[555]

Good to hear these recommendations. I'll definitely be going down there for the bushes, can you give me an idea on what to expect to pay? Also, do you think its worth looking at their adjustable coilover packages and sway bars?