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GTS Listy · #21 08-10-2008, 08:14 PM

Some general photos
This is with the brake pushed down by hand after starting the car up so the vaccume is as per normal.
Standard height again

and depressed as hard as I could by hand. The pedal does not move by much so I tried the same with my foor and it was no different

The stock layout.

People thoughts and ideas. I am thinking making a new accelator pedal linkage, sparco foot pedal covers with the extra bit. I will need to adjust the heights somehow as the way it is does not work.

Hazza · #22 08-10-2008, 08:19 PM

Listy. Can you get your foot to 45 degrees? Cause your foot should be alot more angled sideways than almost straight updown when heal and toeing? That will take care of the lateral distance, but the depth is a huge problem as the pedals need to be more or less level when angling your foot that much.

GTS Listy · #23 08-10-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazza

Listy. Can you get your foot to 45 degrees? Cause your foot should be alot more angled sideways than almost straight updown when heal and toeing? That will take care of the lateral distance, but the depth is a huge problem as the pedals need to be more or less level when angling your foot that much.

That is as far as I can go. Streched to the limit sideways. I am pretty cramped in the car and my knee sits between the steering wheel and the door trim and has about 1cm each side. I can not move my knee around at all. It would be all angle in the ankle.
Should I be able to move my ankle 45 degees. Seems a long way accross.

Hazza · #24 08-10-2008, 09:02 PM

Ah yes I see. That makes sense if you can't angle more because of no movement space for your knee. To angle your foot to 45 degrees, your knee will need to move/point inwards a bit so that you can angle your lower leg outwards so your heal is more to the right than where it is now. Hard to describe with words but if you try just sitting in your computer chair you will see what I mean. If you don't have the ability to move/point your knee inwards then yeah you wont get any more angle on your foot. In which case like you say, you will need to move the accelerator alot closer to the brake pedal and a bit higher by modifying the bracket.

BOMI · #25 08-10-2008, 09:02 PM

Hazza I was going to say the same thing

So Listy your knees are fairly bent thus stopping you from twisting your foot enough to H&T?

Also, can you send me a PM with you wearing nothing but those red racing boots, I loved the pic where you can see your hairy legs

Kidding mate, the pics helped me understand your probs in H&Ting.

Good luck mate.

Troy

Scotty · #26 09-10-2008, 07:01 AM

I know it won't sort the horizontal distance...

but how about adding a rubber pad to the accelerator to raise it to the height of the brake pedal?

GTS Listy · #27 09-10-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotty

I know it won't sort the horizontal distance...

but how about adding a rubber pad to the accelerator to raise it to the height of the brake pedal?

Another good idea. I could add in a piece under the new pedals. I will use the stock one for everyday stuff and the new sparco ones for track days so easy to do without legal things coming into play

VXGTS · #28 10-10-2008, 08:37 AM

Im with you listy, ive tried to H&T in my VXGTS and you pretty much have to have the brake pedal fully depressed to blip the throttle. The brake pedal sits too high i think. Definately not so good when cruising round the burbs to jump on the anchors HARD just to blip the throttle. I got over it, but let me know how you go. Id be keen to know how you get around it in the end.

seldo · #29 10-10-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GTS Listy

Another good idea. I could add in a piece under the new pedals. I will use the stock one for everyday stuff and the new sparco ones for track days so easy to do without legal things coming into play

It's also pretty easy to make up an alloy "tang" to screw to the accelerator pedal to extend it towards the brake and upwards.

GTS Listy · #30 10-10-2008, 02:08 PM

Just wondering how far other brake pedals move from no brake to full brake. Mine as per the photos is bugger all. Like 3cm. I like it but does not help the issue.
I am leaning towards a complete new, custom bent to suit, accelerator linkage to the pedal. Just use the same material and it would be fine. Just bring it closer and raise it.

.charged. · #31 10-10-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by seldo

It's also pretty easy to make up an alloy "tang" to screw to the accelerator pedal to extend it towards the brake and upwards.

Plenty of guys I race with have done this and seems to work a treat and its a cheap and easy mod... will take a few pics tommorrow for you Listy, Clint has this setup on his accel pedal

seldo · #32 15-10-2008, 12:22 PM

These may be of some assistance
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...hing_57431.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPj9XXW25GA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZe...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMur...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdWSy...eature=related
You will note that in most cases the driver doesn't need to get his heel fully onto the throttle - just a bit of a kiss on the side of the pedal. The trouble is if you bring the throttle too close to the brake, you run a very real risk of accidently hitting the throttle just when you really really don't need to....

GTS Listy · #33 15-10-2008, 12:47 PM

Some good vids there. I can use them as some direction to where to put the accelerator pedal. The supercar one seemed to be really good positioning and only needed a slight move of the ankle.
Thanks

Stevie_D · #34 15-10-2008, 03:24 PM

I circuit raced my VY SS ute at Eastern Creek a few times in '04 and I could only reach properly when I had my Colorado boots on- but I have a size 13 stomper which probably helps too.

Heel toeing down into 4th gear coming into turn one was

Maybe the auto brake pedal might help a bit too.

NickS · #35 18-10-2008, 08:54 AM

After reading this thread I realised I had never tried it in the VE ... so I spent the week heal + toeing in the wagon ... it's SHIT LOADS easier in the VE than it was in anything I have driven VT-VZ.

A little difficult in R M Williams boots but it's a piece of piss in anything else.

Good to see Holden fixed it up ...

GTS Listy · #36 03-05-2009, 02:55 PM

Little bit of informaiton. When i used the nissan for racing heal and toes was easy as so I can do it just that I dont have enough room in mine.

I found a way around it looking at the V8 supercars do it. Get the new style supercar gearbox then you dont need a clutch and you leave one foot on the brake and one on the accelator. No such thing as heal and toe anymore on the supercars
That really takes some of the excitement out of watching these pros at work. That makes the supercars all to automatic in my opinion.

Thoughts

nefariousls1 · #37 21-06-2009, 06:25 PM

Listy all i did with mine in my maloo was to pull the whole peddle out, weld the pin more securely to the shaft and then with a vice bought the peddle up to beside the brake and at a level where 50% brake see's the throttle and brake peddle flush, makes it mych more fun to drive and is a laugh with people who dont know its there and stab both not paying attn

Can get pics if u want tomorrow

Cheers Aaron

choppo · #38 21-06-2009, 07:53 PM

Hey Listy,

might be of help.... ???? Nice and easy, 4 screws and a bit of aluminium

The brake and loud pedal are even height with foot hard on the brake - i think i might have bent it up a bit

As an aside, i heel 'n toe slightly different, i end up using the side of my foot, not the heel as such. So it really comes down to what works best for you.

The trick is to do it all day everyday in your car. I went to a advanced driving day at Amaroo when i was 17 where they showed me how to do it... done it every since as it makes driving a bit more 'fun' on the street too.

Bit hard in my Rodeo though, the pedals are just too far apart and im not bothering to turn them into a race set up

GTS Listy · #39 22-06-2009, 08:38 AM

That is a good way of doing it. Both ideas actually as per above.

I will give it a go choppo. I would have to use the side of my foot too as I have no room to move my leg or knee around. BIG loud pedal. Excellent

Cheers

bluegem · #40 22-06-2009, 09:42 AM

I have 2 more options.......

1) The Finish and Sweedish rally drivers in the old days used to get there ankles broken and refused so that there foot was pointing in......meaning they did not have to twist there foot as much because it was always twisted...

2) In the Gemini we have the Sparco pedal kit.....however i left foot brake and dont worry about the clutch....it is very hard to get used too because the pedal pressure feels so un natural on the left foot...and the timing of the throttle and the shift is everything so you dont break the box and doesnt take extra time......its hard but it works.....